Ep 51: The Power of Kratom: Kassie's Inspiring Recovery Story

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I feel like I'm happy, like
weaving with everything going on

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or stresses that you have in
your life or whatever.

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I'm just like, it's just like
positive thinking all the time

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and just feel good energy and I
love it.

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Welcome to Kratom Stories, a
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stories of how this amazing
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I'm here with Cassie, one of our

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podcast listeners.
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So Cassie, I'm so excited you're

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here to come Share your story
with our community.

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My first question for you to get
this kicked off is tell us a

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little bit about yourself and
life before kratom.

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All right, thank you, Madeline.
I'm very excited to be here.

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Thank you for having me.
So my life before kratom was a

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very heavy addiction.
So I started having addiction

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issues probably around 1819
years old.

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You know, I started out with the
smoking the marijuana in school

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and doing this, but eventually
it led to pills and eventually

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led to hard street drugs.
I've done everything there is,

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unfortunately.
But I was just like, I was stuck

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in a deep, dark hole for a long
time, for probably about 15

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years, I believe.
So, yeah, IA lot of it was

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related to mental health issues
as well, and I'll get it into

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that more.
But yeah, so I went through all

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that in 2017.
I finally got tired and I was

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like, you know, even though all
the points during this, I was

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like, I don't care if I die
right now.

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Let me just get high first, you
know, just crazy stuff like

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that.
I finally was like, you know, I

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do want to live.
I do want my life back.

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And so I, I'm so grateful
because I went to a detox and

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then I found a rehab program
that I 'cause I knew that, you

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know, seven days in a detox is
not enough.

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So I said I've got to go
somewhere long term and it can't

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even be six months.
Like give me at least a year.

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Found a two year program, went
there in 2017 and I graduated in

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June of 2019.
And I've been clean for eight

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years now.
So yeah.

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So in a nutshell, that's pretty
much how, how things went from

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addiction to being sober.
But I've struggled a lot my

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whole life with depression and
anxiety, ADHD, you know,

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whatever.
But like I've just never, I

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just, I don't know, I just
everything affected how I felt

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about things.
I felt like I was never happy.

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And another thing, too, is,
like, I was a hyper child all

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the way up through high school
and everything.

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And then what?
Something happened where I just,

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like, lost all my energy.
Like, I just had no drive to do.

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I don't know.
So the whole drug use for me was

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chasing happiness and chasing
energy, if that makes any sense.

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It made sense in my head at the
time.

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Like, OK, if I do this, it makes
me happy and let me just keep

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doing it so I can stay happy all
the time.

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I mean, there's so many things
that goes through an addict's

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mind.
It's crazy.

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But yeah, so like, it was a
constant, you know, searching

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for a cure for things that I'm
feeling, you know, on the inside

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or, you know, just and wanting
to get stuff done and whatever.

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So, you know, there was like
pain pills that gave me energy.

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There was just different things.
And then eventually you use so

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much, it just gets to the point.
Like, I don't even care how it

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makes me feel.
Just give me something.

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So, yeah.
So, yeah.

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So been clean for eight years.
I kind of struggle when I say

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cleaned because there's been a
couple instances that I'm about

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to talk about.
I mean, I've done great like

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beforehand, you know, I never, I
didn't get a chance to do

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anything in my life, you know, I
didn't ever really become a

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responsible adult, you know, I
didn't pay my bills like I

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should have.
I didn't have good credit, da,

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da, da whatever.
Since I've been sober, you know,

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I've done all of those things
and like, you know, got my shit

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together really.
You know, I've got everything

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like I've never had this much
and it's just amazing and it's

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been a great journey.
However, when there is struggles

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and tough times, you know, it's
definitely something you do have

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to work on for the rest of your
life.

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Like you have to everyday focus
and just say, I'm not going to

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use today, you know.
But when hard things come up and

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things happen, you know, you
learn coping mechanisms, how to

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cope with it without going to go
get high.

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And you know, I've done really,
really well with that.

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But this year has just been a
struggle.

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Like from the get go, I'm just
like, right now I'm just like,

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please let 2024 be over because
I'm done with it.

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Just one thing after another.
And I don't know how I had got

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into a relationship at the
beginning of the year, fell

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completely in love with this
person.

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I was in rehab with this person.
So I've known him for a long

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time and we just like kind of
got back in touch and started

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seeing each other and everything
was amazing.

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He was clean.
I was clean.

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And yeah, everything was good.
And then all of a sudden it

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ghosted me.
Like, what in the world, you

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know, trying to figure out
what's going on.

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He had relapsed.
And I had, I was worried about

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that.
Whatever, didn't hear for a few

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months.
And I was like, so hurt, so hurt

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for those few months and trying
to like, you know, get past it.

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And then he calls me again.
This was two months ago.

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And of course I'm like, you
know, I want to make this work.

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I want to go over there.
I want to like make sure he's

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OK.
I want to help him and blah,

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blah, blah.
So I go over there and I don't

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know why I did it, but you know,
I just, I love him and he's high

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and he has drugs and I did him
with him and it was like

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ridiculous.
I go over there and of course

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I'm like, you know, what are you
doing?

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Why are you still doing this
blah, blah, blah.

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And I don't know, all these
things happen and then it's just

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like, OK, well, and it's not
like the normal illegal drugs

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that I was used to doing like on
a regular basis.

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It was like some psychedelics
and a couple of things.

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And I did them with them.
And I'm just like, how the hell

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are you gonna go over there and
claim to save someone and then

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end up doing it with them, you
know, after?

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I'm sorry.
So eight years will be, it'll be

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eight years in January.
So seven years and some months

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or whatever.
But I'm like, after all that

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stuff and I mean, I don't like,
of course, you know, I keep this

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instance like at the forefront
of my brain just like remind me

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to it helps keep me sober.
But I was just like, you know,

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it wasn't something that did.
And then I kept wanting more

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after that.
I felt like shit for 2-3 days

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afterwards.
I was just like what the, you

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know, whatever.
But also realized that I was

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being stupid for love for one
thing.

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And then I was just like trying
to find something.

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And from the time that he had
ghosted me to the time he had

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got in touch with me again, I
started smoking marijuana, which

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I personally don't have any
issues with.

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Uh huh.
And was drinking a lot.

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And the drinking, I've never
been a big drinker, never had an

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issue with drinking.
I didn't start, I didn't have my

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first beer until I was after
four or after four years into

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recovery, just because I didn't
want to take the chance of it,

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of being drunk or something and
then doing something crazy.

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So I finally got to where I felt
like I was comfortable to have a

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beer.
And so I've been able to drink,

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you know, very occasionally here
and there.

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Well, this year it became like
every weekend and then more days

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during the week and smoking
weed.

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And I found that I was looking
for more and it scared me.

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So I didn't want to go back to
that life.

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So at one point after I had
graduated from the program, at

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one place that I lived, I had
one of the guys from the program

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as a roommate.
He was like my best friend.

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This is how I learned about
kratom.

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He had, he was doing it.
And of course, you know, I'm

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like, what is that or whatever.
And the only thing he tells me,

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you know, 'cause I mean, he was
addicted opioids and stuff that

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he said it was a substitute for
opioids and he said that you can

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get addicted to it.
So of course, immediately I'm

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just like, and I'm like, why are
you doing that?

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Duh, duh.
And then of course, you know, me

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and a few other people from the
program or talking and they're

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just like, yeah, he's using
kratom, blah, blah, blah.

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So that's all I've ever known
about it.

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And then this year it comes up
again, I think a video I saw or

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something.
I don't know.

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But I, I said, you know what,
let me look into this for myself

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because what I had seen was
something positive.

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And so I just went in and I'm
like, what is this stuff really

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about?
And I educated myself.

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Yeah.
And then I didn't educate myself

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enough and I'll say why I here
in a little bit.

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But I did go to a smoke shop,
got my first little bag of

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kratom, took it.
It was amazing.

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I felt it, you know, OK, I
didn't get a bat.

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I got a bag of capsules.
It was 10 capsules and I had

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gone to an apothecary or
dispensary and I'm like this

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gotta be a little better smoke
shop, right?

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And I'm ready to get some now.
I didn't even think about

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ordering any online.
I probably, I don't even think I

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knew about it.
So I take a capsule 'cause I'm

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like, I don't want to do powder.
Let me just get these capsules

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and I'll take one and see what
it does to me when I go in

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there.
I tell him I said I'm interested

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in trying crate them.
Like what do you recommend?

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And the guy that was standing
right there by the kratom was

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like, he looked at me like, uh,
and then the other guy across

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the store points over to this
little section that has all

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these small bags of this one
brand and it's 10 capsules.

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He said I would start with those
small bags.

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And that's literally like, he
just knows it's a small bag and

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it's got a few Anyway, So I got
the next morning, I take a

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capsule and I feel it, you know,
a little bit though.

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I was like, let me take one
more.

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This is like an hour, two hours
later.

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And then later on that day, I
think I took 2.

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Anyway, I felt it enough to know
that it felt amazing and I

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wanted to keep researching blah
blah blah.

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A week, week and a half goes by.
Come to find out I'm taking

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extracts.
Oh, OK.

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Well, it is.
It's stupid.

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And This is why I wanted to show
you back because like, that

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shows you right there.
And it might be an attic thing,

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but I don't read packages, you
know, I'm just like, OK, this is

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green.
It's going to do this for me.

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It's a small, you know, little
thing.

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Let me try it out.
That's all I cared about.

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So it was a bunch of small bags
with 10 capsules, and it was

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this brand.
OK, I'm allowed to say it.

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Say it.
Yeah.

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You're the only one that can see
this.

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But you can mention it.
It's mint therapy.

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OK, Mint therapy.
I've not heard of that one.

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Everything that they sell has
mixtures.

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OK, here's another one I had
gotten.

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This is Hulu and white endo.
OK OK this is green and green

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dragon and super green.
Now it took me a week and a half

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to see this extract enhanced.
In small print.

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Well, it's not.
It's.

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Not, I mean it's not like in
bit, I mean it's I, yeah, I'm

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looking on the screen here.
I mean, first of all, the

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package just looks nice and
professional.

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It also has lab tested 100%
natural GMP certified now on the

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back the Mishregina Speciosa
plain leaf powder, 3.8%

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mitrogyna and 0.057 hydroxy
mitrogynein.

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However you say it right, right
now, this is the ingredient that

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we've I've been hearing, you
know, a lot of talk about us not

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feeling real good about this,
but.

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The other 708, but from what
you're describing on there,

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you're holding up on the screen
for me is it sounds like it has

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a high mitrogynein.
You said it was like 3.8 I think

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you said. 3.8% plain leaf powder
and and it's it's oh I'm sorry,

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it says plain leaf powder
enhanced with the extract. 3.8%

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metrogyna and 0.057
hydroxymetrogynyne.

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Yeah, now the 708 says the seven
hydroxymetrogynyne.

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So you know what's crazy in the
creating community right now?

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We keep hearing about 70 H seven
OH, tablets are like becoming

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all the rage and smoke shops and
they're super potent, more

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potent than what you're showing
me.

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I mean, there's really and you
learn just from talking to other

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people and just educating
yourself and there's like 3

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levels of kratom, the whole leaf
powder, just the plain whole

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leaf powder.
Then there's extracts, which

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you're showing me extract powder
and you don't see that as often.

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It's usually the extract little
shop bottles.

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It's the liquid.
That's what's really common with

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the extracts, but they are
extract powders like what you

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have.
And then there's the seven oh,

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where is synthesizing that 7
hydroxymetragynine to be super,

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super powerful to the point that
it's basically an opioid.

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And our concern right now is
like, you know, these this new

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70 H products that are coming
out, they're being pushed really

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heavily in the smoke shops can
be dangerous.

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They're too strong.
They can be very addicting and

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it's not the same thing as the
whole leaf powder.

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They shouldn't even be allowed
to call them kratom.

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But here's the thing, it goes
back to our kratom packaging.

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It's always going to show that
there's some 7

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hydroxymetrogynein because the
plant itself has a very, very

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small amount.
So you're reading like 0.005.

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I think you said it's a very,
very small percent.

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So that's normal in the plain
leaf.

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And then when you consume it,
your body, you know, converts it

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and does its thing.
And then it gets a little bit

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higher in your system, but not
at A at a bad dose.

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But what manufacturers are doing
now is they're synthesizing the

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plant to create something really
powerful and strong.

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And it's worrisome because those
could be very addicting.

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Yeah.
And then this, what concerns me

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is that addicts like me that are
having struggles that have been

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in recovery, like relapse, and
because they're getting this

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stuff that's so strong.
Yeah.

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It's just, it's not, it's not
good.

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It can.
Cause more harm than good,

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really.
Right, right.

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So yeah, when I and yeah, just
I've gotten some samples since

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then and since I've been
listening to you and I've all of

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your recommendations on vendors,
all the ones that I could, I've

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gone and asked for samples.
I've gotten a few already and

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I've got some more.
I got some for ether come in.

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I've got yeah, a few more and
this is So what I've been doing

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OK since I found out this is an
X-ray and I'm sorry, I'm jumping

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all over the place.
Oh no.

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This is this is fine.
It's all good.

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When I found out about this, I
was like, Oh my gosh, Madeline

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and all of them are talking
about these extracts and I why,

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you know, I'm noticing that what
I've been taking says that on

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there.
So anyway, So what I did

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immediately was went back to the
smoke shop and got I mean, just

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for something like right now,
the earth kratom that's.

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A common one.
Yeah, but it was just plain, the

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plain leave.
I made sure I'm like, it's not a

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extract.
Whatever took it didn't do

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anything for me, of course,
because I've been taking the

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strong stuff.
So what I've been doing and I'm

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like, you know, I'm a month in
and I'm still doing, you know,

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trying to trial and error.
That's what I was trying to say,

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figure it out.
So what I'm doing now is these

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samples that I've had, I'm
taking those for my doses and

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like one every other day
teaspoon of this to try to get

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my tolerance to where I can just
enjoy plain leaf rather than I

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don't know if that's how I
should do it.

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This is my idea in my head.
I've asked a a question on a

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platform, I can't remember which
one, and somebody said just stop

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for a few weeks.
I did stop for one day, but I'm

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just, I'm trying to figure out
how to get on the whole leaf

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without stopping.
Yeah, I mean, I could stop if I

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wanted to.
That one time that I stopped for

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a day was easy, very easy.
And I didn't feel bad.

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I think you're doing it the
right way where you're just

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you're tapering down from the
extract or you're just not

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taking it for every dose and
you're taking I, I know the

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plain leaf when you got the,
that brand is, I've never heard

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anything good about that.
I mean, it's good when you need

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something.
So I'm not knocking that like

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it's better than nothing, but
when you like those vendors that

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I have them on the Crane stories
podcast website that I

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personally buy and use myself
are so, so much higher quality.

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And I've actually gotten to know
the owners of those companies

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online and like, they're just
good people trying to do good in

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the world.
And we're not like some of these

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others where it's all about just
making a dollar.

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And when people I've met like
say through TikTok or the Kratom

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Real talk community that were
using smoke shop Kratom and then

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they go try one of these online
vendors that I used, they're

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like, Oh my God, it's like day
and night.

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It's like night and day.
Like so wow, these online

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vendors can be so much better
quality then and plus smoke

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shops are pricey too.
They charge a lot too, so you

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know they have to mark it all up
and.

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I also feel that kratom doesn't
belong in a smoke shop.

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Yeah, I mean any of it.
Like I just feel like I'm not

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saying anything bad about smoke
shops, but you know, when you

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think or talk about smoke shop,
you think about, you know,

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getting some marijuana or or
THCA or whatever, y'all that

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stuff and it just, I don't know,
it's just like not the best

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reputation and to put kratom in
there.

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I just don't think it belongs.
That's a great point.

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I I totally understand.
Yeah, I totally understand your

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point of view.
And that makes perfect sense

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because you're right.
You know, people typically go

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smoke shops to.
Yeah, I mean, I live in Texas,

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so it's not legal here to, you
know, it's cannabis, but we

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still have smoke shops where,
you know, there's plenty of

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other things or your accessories
for for weed or whatever.

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So I mean, that's a great point
of view because you have people

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typically in a smoke shop,
whether you're in a legal state

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or not legal state to get things
towards getting high, plus also

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with smoke shops.
It's not very common for the

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people working there to be very
educated on kratom and being

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able to help people, you know,
with it's so much trial and

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error to figure kratom out.
You know, so many times people

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find my videos on TikTok and
they're like, just tell me what

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to buy and how much to take.
And I'm like.

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It's not.
That simple.

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It's not one-size-fits-all.
It's not like take two aspirins

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and call me in the morning.
We're not in that world with

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kratom.
And then people will be like,

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well, I, I saw your video.
I have what you have.

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I have degenerative disc
disease.

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I said, that doesn't matter if
you're the same thing, it

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doesn't mean the same exact
thing I consume is going to work

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for you.
It takes trial and error and it

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takes patience.
Oh yeah, but.

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But I'm glad you discovered
Kratom and you're only being a

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month in, which is amazing by
the way, that you're learning a

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lot in a very short period of
time.

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And that is working for you.
And I can totally understand

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like, Oh my gosh, it turns out
this is extract powder.

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But I think you're approaching
this in the right way is like

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finding alternatives, tapering
that down.

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It's been a short time though,
So I mean, I'm not again,

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everybody's different with how
kratom reacts with them.

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If you've been consuming that
extract powder long enough for

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it to be difficult to change to
just regular plain leaf powder.

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But the way you're you're
approaching it, I think is

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there.
It's what I would be doing if I

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was in your situation.
Because I was thinking about

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when you're, when you're talking
about the smoke shop and people

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are not being educated.
Like I immediately when I saw

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that on the bag, I just like
that guy at the smoke shop, like

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has no clue.
Like he basically is just like,

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oh, well, you just start on this
because it's a small bag and

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there's only 10 capsules in it
and a serving is five capsules.

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Yeah.
It's just like, it's just so

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easy to go in there and get
misinformation and get the wrong

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thing.
Like that could have been, you

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know, one of those extract
models and I could have been the

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one that drank the whole thing
and there's 4 servings in it or

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something.
Yeah, they're like nobody reads

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the fine print of how many
servings are in those little

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bottles.
Tell you that now.

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I bet you do.
And also I'm glad that you

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weren't in a smoke shop where
they're pushing those 7OH

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tablets because we're hearing so
many stories that they are

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literally pushing it on people.
They're expensive, they're so

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potent.
People get immediately hooked on

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those things.
They're they should not call

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them kratom.
They should not be.

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It is not.
I have a picture I'm going to

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send you.
I went to, I'm a frequent flyer

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in the smoke shop because I do
cannabis as well.

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But the guy I go to the smoke
shop all the time, he was

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rearranging everything and he
ended up putting all the kratom

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on one back wall and then in the
display cabinet had all of the

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extracts and it was just so many
of them.

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And I just took a picture
because it was just like it

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just, I don't know.
I'm just like, what?

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I was in shock.
I mean, just that.

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I don't know.
It's a big money maker.

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They make so much money off of
those.

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And you know, extracts are not
only in smoke shops or a lot of

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gas stations around the country
too.

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And that's what's giving it a
bad rap as well, because they're

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like, first of all, kids are not
consuming kratom.

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It tastes terrible.
It doesn't really get you high.

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I mean the seven OH could, but
like you know, it's not the

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reports you hear are typically
of a grown adult that consumes

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too much of it that just went
from one addiction to the other.

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Those of us that consume whole
leaf powder, it is not common to

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hear of people having issues
with overuse or not being able

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to stop.
Kratom isn't the same family as

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coffee plant wise.
So what most people will say is

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when they stop kratom, whether
they take a tolerance break and

444
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:06,280
stop for, you know, a week or
two or they're tapering down

445
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,040
because they just want to take
less.

446
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,920
Many times with kratom less is
more that they'll say it's like

447
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,640
when I stop drinking coffee, you
know, I might get a headache or

448
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,200
you know, like it's not much to
it.

449
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,120
It's not common for people to
have go through like major

450
00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:23,400
withdrawals.
When people talk about opioid

451
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,520
like withdrawals with kratom,
it's not a common thing.

452
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,880
Not to say people don't do that
have that.

453
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,040
I mean, if they consume a lot of
it, I yeah, that probably will.

454
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,280
It's not good to consume too
much of anything.

455
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,400
I like my Doctor Pepper, but I
know I shouldn't be drinking too

456
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,200
many of them.
That's not going to be good for

457
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,520
me.
Yeah, when I first tried it too,

458
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:45,560
I told you I had taken a capsule
and then a few hours later,

459
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:49,840
well, I think, I think I did it
that for like 2 days and then

460
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,120
kept sight seeing all these
videos on the powder, on the

461
00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:55,360
powder.
And I'm like, I think the guy

462
00:24:55,360 --> 00:24:59,080
that stayed with me, I think he
just put it in water and drink

463
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,960
it and I can't, I've seen your
swamp can't do it.

464
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,600
But I can toss it, wash that.
I can toss it.

465
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,880
Really.
I actually started doing the

466
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,280
toss and wash on the third day
and I did it because I want, I

467
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,160
said I want to consume the
powder because what I was

468
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:19,840
learning it'd be better in the
capsules and I said, but I and

469
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,520
I'm not going to sit there and
drink it.

470
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:26,120
So I started watching videos of
people doing towels and wash and

471
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,200
I did it and had no problem.
It's I hate it, It's terrible.

472
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,240
But I got my blade tapes last
night and all.

473
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,160
Right.
I was just going to say try the

474
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,360
blade tapes because that's a
great way to do it.

475
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:41,360
I did it for the first time this
morning and I video I recorded

476
00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:45,440
it because I just like I just
want my first time recorded like

477
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:49,640
and I kind of felt a little bit
the first one it opened up a

478
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,880
little bit, but it was still
great and the second time, yeah

479
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,320
Oh my God, the.
Key is not hesitate when you're

480
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,720
swallowing that thing, 'cause I,
you know, I, I don't use blade

481
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,040
Papes for all my doses.
I'm so used to the swamp water.

482
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,240
I mean, been drinking this four
times a day for 5 1/2 years.

483
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,800
I'm so used to it now.
But I do like my blade Papes

484
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,600
from time to time.
But what happened back in June?

485
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,440
We had a hurricane come right
over Houston.

486
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,200
I was without power for 9 days
and so I couldn't microwave to

487
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,440
make my swamp water.
So I was like, oh thank God I

488
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,720
have my blade papes.
So all of my doses were blade

489
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,840
papes.
But there was one of my doses.

490
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,120
I just was in La La land.
I wasn't paying attention

491
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:27,800
because I've done it so many
times.

492
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,920
And when I was swallowing it
kind of got stuck in my throat

493
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,200
and opened up and I kind of
coughed it out and I'm like,

494
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,200
I've heard stories of that but
it never happened to me And it

495
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,280
was so gross and it was so
messy.

496
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,480
I'm like, Oh my.
But I realized I wasn't really

497
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,160
paying attention to what I was
doing.

498
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:48,160
I just so just kind of reminding
me like okay, pay attention, you

499
00:26:48,360 --> 00:26:52,680
know, swallow it fast.
But blade papes are a great

500
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,080
alternative if I don't want to
do capsules with all the capsule

501
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,560
shells in your stomach or you're
like mean you don't want to toss

502
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,680
and wash, You don't like toss
and wash method.

503
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,680
You don't want to have to do the
swamp water method.

504
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,320
Then blade papes are are great.
I'm so glad you tried.

505
00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:08,920
That it was the greatest
invention.

506
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,160
Yeah.
And I, I ordered them like

507
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:12,600
Tuesday or Wednesday or
something.

508
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,360
I've been waiting.
Like I'm so ready to try this.

509
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,120
You're like, come on in here.
Yes, yeah.

510
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,720
You can get them at
bladepapes.com, but also Amazon.

511
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,400
You can get them through Amazon.
I got mine from Amazon for

512
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,360
$20.00 but I also said this in
my video.

513
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:31,600
You know I think I saw I have to
look and find out it was either

514
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,600
New Hope botanicals or or Cats
botanicals.

515
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:39,880
One of them has them for like
1699 but I don't know what

516
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:41,200
they're shipping.
So.

517
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,400
It's possible that you can get a
little cheaper, but I think

518
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,720
$20.00 for 120 of them is great.
Oh, totally.

519
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,320
I mean, it's taken.
It took me.

520
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,080
Forever.
Yeah, it took me forever to go

521
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,120
through that first pack.
I mean, again, I wasn't using

522
00:27:54,120 --> 00:27:57,600
them every day, but yeah, the
120 of them.

523
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,960
And I like the little funnel
shape is shaped perfectly.

524
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,600
And the little cardboard thing,
you know, is I've had people say

525
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,360
I don't even know what to do
with the cardboard thing.

526
00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:08,680
I said you got to watch my
videos because I walk you

527
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,480
through the whole it's like, oh,
now I see, see what that little

528
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,400
cardboard piece is for?
I watched your video one more

529
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:19,440
time before I did it.
It was funny was when I tried

530
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,600
Blake Papes for the first time.
They have a really good YouTube

531
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,800
channel, Blake Papes.
They have really good ones

532
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,080
walking through all of it.
So I watched just a variety of

533
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,440
their videos.
They've got some longer videos

534
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,960
and they have some YouTube
Shorts videos.

535
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,200
And so I watched them and I
like, I just was watching them.

536
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,920
I'm like, OK, I can do this.
And I, I did like you did.

537
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,480
I recorded myself because I
thought I want to capture this

538
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,040
moment.
I might want to share this.

539
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,440
At some point I was.
Thinking and I just remember

540
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,160
being nervous.
I remember looking at the camera

541
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:51,560
go I'm scared, but I did it.
It was like no big deal.

542
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,560
It's like.
Fall on a capsule.

543
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,000
I mean, it's not really
different from that.

544
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,560
It might feel a little bit
different, but but my first

545
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,520
time, I don't think I'd put it
back far enough.

546
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,120
Maybe I don't know something.
But like I said, it did come up

547
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:10,360
and it was not much though.
And also when I went to pour it

548
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:14,160
in the blade paint, because I'm
so used to toss and wash and I

549
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,840
pack it in the spoon, the
measuring spoon, when I do it in

550
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,200
my mouth, I have to tap it to
get it out.

551
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,200
It'll fall out in this mound.
And that's what made it easier

552
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,960
for me to toss and wash.
But like trying to put that

553
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,840
mound in the blade Paint.
Yes, but a little bit the 1st.

554
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,560
Time yeah, it doesn't work too
well doing that and also you

555
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,320
don't want to over pack the
blade papes.

556
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:38,920
My typical dose is 2 teaspoons
and I can fit like 1 teaspoon

557
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,280
well in a If I try to do more
than a teaspoon, I feel like I'm

558
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,440
too much and then you can't fold
it over and and set it up.

559
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,240
So I have to use two blade
papes, which is no big deal

560
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:48,240
because again.
It's so.

561
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,680
Inexpensive, but yeah, it's
trial and error.

562
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,520
You figure it out and and you
also learn to make sure your

563
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,920
fingers are dry because if
you're messing with that blade

564
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,280
Pape and your fingers are wet,
it just the whole thing sticks

565
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:00,840
together and you got one big
mess.

566
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,680
All kinds of trial and error.
I want to go back to when you

567
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:09,520
said the very first time you
learned about Kratom and from

568
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,240
your friend and that was you
said that was back when you were

569
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:16,800
still in rehab, right?
No, I was out of rehab like we

570
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,840
had graduated already.
We stayed in the area and we, it

571
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:28,680
was maybe say I graduate, it was
maybe 2020, mid 2021 when he was

572
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,640
doing it and I was like what is
that so?

573
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,640
But all you heard back then was
just negative stuff and this is

574
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,960
addicting and.
Yeah, from him.

575
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,360
He said that it gave him energy,
and that is like a substitution

576
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,440
for opioids, and that's why he
was taking it.

577
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:50,960
And that was pretty much it.
And I think I learned also that

578
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,800
they sold it in smoke shops.
I had never heard of it, didn't

579
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,480
know about it.
And then after that, when, you

580
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,200
know, people are talking and
they're like, oh, so and so's

581
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,960
over there doing kratom and they
talk about it like it's a drug.

582
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:08,320
Like he relapsed.
And that was the information

583
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,120
that I had about it.
So I immediately just like put

584
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:12,640
it on my mind, forgot about it.
Totally.

585
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:14,200
Just missed it.
Yeah, well.

586
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,160
Yeah, like I don't want to be
doing.

587
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,400
Sure.
Yeah, so even now when I

588
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,640
started, you know, my son is
like, but I've been, he actually

589
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:28,200
works at a smoke shop part time.
He knows all of the science and

590
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,160
everything on the THCA and
cannabis.

591
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,880
Like he knows it all.
Like he's great for that job.

592
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:37,360
How I feel about how employees
should be at a smoke shop and

593
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:38,840
knowing about the products
anyway.

594
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,560
Yeah.
So he he just sees people that

595
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,440
abuse it.
So that's, you know, of course

596
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,880
they're concerned.
But yeah, I've taught him a lot

597
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,760
about it.
I've been, you know, telling him

598
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,160
everything that because I want
him to be able to talk to the

599
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,440
customers and share right
information so.

600
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,720
What does he think as you know,
seeing you as his mother who's

601
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:06,000
consuming the this plant?
Like does he see a change in you

602
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,680
since you?
Started I actually asked him

603
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:12,560
that and he said that he can
tell I'm a lot calmer because it

604
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,680
does.
Like my anxiety is my anxiety

605
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,080
and my depression.
I mean, granted, I've been on

606
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:23,880
medications for it as well and I
still am, but I'm actually, and

607
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,640
I probably shouldn't do this.
Please don't do this unless you

608
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:31,480
talk to your doctor first.
But I have not taken my medicine

609
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,680
every other day because the
kratom worked so good.

610
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,760
But I have an appointment with
my doctor to talk to her about

611
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:43,840
it and to get the right way of
coming off of my mental health

612
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:48,120
medications.
Yeah, because they numb you as

613
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,480
well.
I've been taking Lexapro for the

614
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,600
last few years and it works
great for my anxiety and

615
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,000
depression.
A lot of things have been good.

616
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,920
However, there's a lot of things
that have been numbed and I'm

617
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,200
like, like for a long time
they're like, I didn't feel like

618
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,880
I could cry or anything.
Like you could tell me something

619
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,840
crazy, like a dog was dead,
something that normally would

620
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,960
kill me and I wouldn't.
I'd be like, that's how numb I

621
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,920
was and other things, you know,
so I talked to my doctor about

622
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,520
it and they actually gave me
Wellbutrin to take on top of it.

623
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,400
And then they then things
started opening up a little bit.

624
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,600
But it's just like how many
medications I have to take to

625
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,920
feel normal and not numb myself
because that's what I spent

626
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:31,800
years doing while I was using
drugs.

627
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:37,400
Like this is not what I want.
So for me now kratom is it for

628
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,480
me, they're gonna get me off
this medication.

629
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,040
I'm a taper off or do it like
I'm supposed to.

630
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,760
And be done with it.
Yeah, that's awesome.

631
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,440
And I can see you lighten up
saying that.

632
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,000
That's great.
So many people I've talked to

633
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:54,200
since starting this podcast last
year have mentioned like so many

634
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,440
medications they were able to
stop like they would start like

635
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:01,200
so many people like like how I
am that come from the with

636
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,880
chronic pain, coming from pain
management community.

637
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,800
You know, we find out about
kratom, take it for a pain and

638
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,159
then it's like, but there's all
these other benefits you get

639
00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:11,520
from it.
Like so many people said, not

640
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,360
only to take pain meds, but I
also to, you know,

641
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,560
antidepressants and like a
variety of things for their

642
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,440
mental health and mental
well-being.

643
00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:24,000
And we're able to stop it all or
most just because they started

644
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,120
kratom.
And it's just amazing to hear

645
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:30,480
stories of that, of being able
to scale back or completely stop

646
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,800
all these other pharmaceuticals
that that.

647
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,440
You take.
Because of a plant Like why

648
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,280
didn't people talk about this?
Why is it that we don't hear

649
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,800
about this?
Right, I have never, I have

650
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:48,880
never thought that I would ever
actually like be able to have my

651
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,040
anxiety and depression under
enough control to be able to be

652
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:53,960
happy and live my life until
kratom.

653
00:34:54,320 --> 00:35:00,840
Because I mean, I, I have always
had like super OCD issues.

654
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,280
Like I can't function in an
environment that is messy.

655
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:08,440
Like things have to be organ.
And yes, I mean, it's not that

656
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,480
great right now, but it's
because of kratom.

657
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,280
Things have to be organized and
in place for me to be able to

658
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,400
think and function properly.
Like I know that's probably like

659
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,520
that for most people, but for me
it's extreme.

660
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,520
Like I can't, I get overwhelmed.
I can't do anything.

661
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,920
Like I'm literally like frozen
because I'm overwhelmed.

662
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,480
I haven't had that, you know, I
mean, not that I want to let

663
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,440
things go and not have, but you
know, I don't want it to control

664
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,080
my life.
It's been so bad in the past

665
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,320
where I'd call in sick to work
just to stay home, to clean my

666
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,200
house.
Like those are just things I've

667
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:44,320
had to deal with.
I'm like, I feel like I'm happy,

668
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:49,160
you know, like we've been with
everything going on or stresses

669
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:50,800
that you have in your life or
whatever.

670
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,520
I'm just like, it's just like
positive thinking all the time

671
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,880
and just feel good energy and I
love it.

672
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,440
That's so great.
It's so great hearing that, you

673
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,480
know, just from consuming this
plant, you've only been in it

674
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,360
for a short period of time.
It's like, you know, I'm sure

675
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,480
you're thinking like, man, the
Sky's the limit.

676
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,520
Like I just started and I'm
already seeing these great

677
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:16,360
results so quickly.
And so you feel like since

678
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:21,160
starting kratom, that like just
your daily life and just your

679
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,880
overall well-being is just
completely improved.

680
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,640
Absolutely, yeah.
I mean, I'm, I'm kind of a

681
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,920
workaholic.
I work a lot and I already do

682
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:35,920
well with working, but I have
just been so productive and like

683
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,400
got energy, like good steady
energy throughout the day.

684
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:43,280
No crashes, no jitteriness,
jittery jitters.

685
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,880
Yeah, just no negative side
effects.

686
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:51,840
Now, going back to when I told
you I started powder like a

687
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,320
second or third day, I did throw
up for three mornings in a row.

688
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,080
Oh, OK.
Because I took I think I had

689
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,840
gone from 1 teaspoon to two and
it's too much at the.

690
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,280
Beginning well with extract
powder that would.

691
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,600
Be, you know, see if you.
Know, see, and, and this is

692
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,840
what's important for anybody
listening to this podcast

693
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,200
episode that is researching
Kratom to understand and to

694
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,200
really be diligent in, in
understanding exactly what

695
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:22,000
you're purchasing is that whole
leaf Kratom powder versus

696
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:27,000
extract powder are so different
that just half a teaspoon or a

697
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:31,160
whole teaspoon more could.
I could see doing that Now if

698
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,080
I'm just doing whole leaf powder
and I just, you know, had an

699
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,080
extra teaspoon when I'm
experimenting and doing my trial

700
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,040
and error in the beginning and I
wasn't feeling that much or just

701
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,040
feeling a little bit that much
more would probably not make me

702
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:44,040
throw up.
I'd probably.

703
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,520
Like to take quite a bit more.
But extract is just so much

704
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:51,360
stronger, so you're getting way
more of those alkaloids.

705
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,280
So wow, that's interesting.
But I'm so glad that like these

706
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,600
did, that didn't deter you, like
you still kept.

707
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:02,000
It right well, and I'd also, you
know, learned about that a lot

708
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,640
of the research I did, you know,
if you take too much, you're

709
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,680
going to throw up.
And you know, of course I wasn't

710
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,480
aware I was taking this enhanced
extract at the time.

711
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:15,440
But yeah, I increased my dosage.
I took it in the morning right

712
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,520
when I wake up and got ready for
work and I drove to work.

713
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:20,760
And both times this happened the
exact same way.

714
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,720
Both times as soon as I got in
the parking lot at work, I just

715
00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:26,040
threw up once and went about my
business.

716
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,440
Like it didn't make me feel bad.
I just had to get it out of my

717
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,880
system.
And so where I was going with

718
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,400
that is just saying like I have
not had any bad side effects

719
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,600
from kratom.
That is the only thing.

720
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,120
But I think it's a positive
thing because it lets you know,

721
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,520
hey, this is too much of me for
you to take.

722
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,080
Exactly.
It's not like your typical

723
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,240
narcotics where you take too
much, you stop breathing and you

724
00:38:49,240 --> 00:38:53,080
can die.
With kratom, you take too much,

725
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,280
you throw up.
That's it.

726
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,920
That's that.
Your body's saying, OK, you took

727
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,080
too much of it, you got to stop.
I'm going to make it come out

728
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:01,040
now.
Right?

729
00:39:01,240 --> 00:39:04,200
That's it.
Another, another huge reason for

730
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,920
I mean, I'm ready.
I'm ready to be a loud and proud

731
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:08,840
advocate.
Like I want to do everything I

732
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:13,480
possibly can to help with this.
But another thing with it too

733
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:18,840
that makes me so passionate is
my mom passed away from overdose

734
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:22,600
on Percocet.
She had been in a bad motorcycle

735
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:26,320
accident and hurt her neck.
Course they gave her all these

736
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,880
pain medicines and I mean it was
like it ended up being in

737
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,440
chronic pain for her.
So but she was just taking them

738
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,520
and taking them and then just
became more and more to the

739
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:40,960
point where she just, yeah, just
stop breathing and went too long

740
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:45,360
without oxygen to her brain.
And she had to, yeah, just gone

741
00:39:45,720 --> 00:39:51,960
49 years old.
So just being an addict myself

742
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,160
and be in recovery and, and
everything I've been through and

743
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:59,080
things I've seen like just makes
me like I have ever since I was

744
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,160
in the rehab program, like I
have been wanting to get out

745
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,840
there and help other addicts
like.

746
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,840
Come on, like, let's get this,
you know, And I have been so

747
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,720
passionate about it.
I haven't really done a whole

748
00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:12,640
lot with it.
I mean, of course, like in

749
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,280
social situations if it comes up
or like friends of mine or

750
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,680
whatever.
But I haven't like gotten to be

751
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,760
able to be out in the community
and do things.

752
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,760
And since I've discovered kratom
though like this has been the

753
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:30,120
most passionate thing I have
been about since I have been

754
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,120
sober.
That is awesome.

755
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:38,000
So I love when people discover
kratom and see the power of this

756
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,240
and want to go and advocate and
let people know about it because

757
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,720
like we're saying before, people
don't talk about this much.

758
00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:46,880
You know, I was in pain
management for nine years taking

759
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:48,480
opioids, and there is always
that worry.

760
00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:50,840
Even though I didn't have any
addiction issues with it,

761
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,840
there's always still that worry
that I could take too much.

762
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,560
Your body needs more.
You're trying to not be in so

763
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,720
much pain, and there's always
that concern.

764
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:02,000
But nobody ever mentioned
kratom.

765
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,120
In all those nine years I was
taking opioids every day, nobody

766
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,440
ever mentioned it.
And what's interesting, in my

767
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,000
case, kratom works better for me
than the pain pills ever did.

768
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,640
Like, it helps my pain
tremendously.

769
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,080
And it doesn't do that for
everybody, but it does

770
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,240
personally for me.
So if I had known sooner, I

771
00:41:19,240 --> 00:41:21,040
would have stopped pain
management, I would have like,

772
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,240
dropped that and just been using
kratom.

773
00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:27,960
But it just makes me a loud and
proud advocate because I want to

774
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,520
help people in the pain
community know their

775
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,880
alternatives, especially because
right now, doctors are scared to

776
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:35,680
prescribe.
People are being dropped.

777
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,560
They're committing suicide.
You know, they don't know what

778
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,000
to do.
And it's like, gosh, there's a

779
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,360
plant that could, like, change
your life.

780
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,640
So I'm very passionate about
that.

781
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,480
But I also love hearing stories
like yours with going through,

782
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:54,400
you know, so much with addiction
and how this plant helps so

783
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,480
much.
You know, my my first interview

784
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,720
I did with this podcast was with
Misty Brown.

785
00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:00,960
She's episode number 2.
I just.

786
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:05,920
I just had her back on, yeah.
I like I know her as well.

787
00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:08,160
Watching you all and listening
to y'all.

788
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:12,120
Yeah, she's she was so great.
And she comes from both pain

789
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,200
management, but also with
addiction through being in pain

790
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,840
management.
And what she always says with

791
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,960
kratom, what it did for her is
it put her brain on pause to not

792
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:27,280
be craving drugs.
Which is just amazing that not

793
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,720
only can this plan help if you
suffer from pain issues, but

794
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,840
helps with cravings.
And not just for drugs but for

795
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,760
alcohol too.
People will say hi, like don't

796
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,720
want to drink.
I can assess to that because I

797
00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:42,520
told you I was drinking a lot
this year because of everything

798
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:46,240
I was going through.
Well, I still, I mean like even

799
00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:50,880
before getting increasing my
drinking, I just like to have a

800
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,600
drink every now and then, you
know, like I love a good cold

801
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,480
beer while I'm cooking out or
bowing grass or something.

802
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,640
But even now since I've had
Kratom, I have not drank any.

803
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,240
I tried to twice, like on a
weekend.

804
00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:04,400
I'm like, I just want a couple
of beer.

805
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,560
I actually didn't want it.
I really didn't.

806
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,600
I haven't had no craving for it,
but I just felt like it was

807
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,800
something I just wanted to do
because it was a Friday and I

808
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:14,200
just wanted to have a couple
beers.

809
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:18,040
I opened it and I probably had
two steps out of it, but I have

810
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,920
not even wanted.
I've had the same 12 pack of

811
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,480
beer in my fridge for a month
and a half now.

812
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:27,360
I think so, yeah.
But it does like I don't crave

813
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,960
anything.
And I can, you know, I don't

814
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,720
have chronic pain issues or
anything like that, like you

815
00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:35,480
all.
But I can attest that just the

816
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:40,040
minor aches and pains like neck
and back that I feel like we all

817
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:45,080
have, it helps a lot with that.
I sit a lot at my job and work

818
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,800
with very small, detailed
things, so I'm constantly like

819
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,640
this.
And so it puts a lot of pressure

820
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,320
and tension on my neck and my
lower back.

821
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:58,120
And it's helped with that for
me, you know, so.

822
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,360
That is so great.
I can imagine what it does for

823
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,520
you all.
It's amazing.

824
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,920
It's just amazing a plant that
can help so much with with pain

825
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,520
issues, with my neck and back
issues.

826
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,640
It's very debilitating.
I've been living with it for a

827
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:15,480
long time and this plant doesn't
even come close to the different

828
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,840
medications.
And I've pretty much have tried

829
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:23,160
every opioid, every narcotic
that's available through pain

830
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:26,560
management and it just doesn't
even compare, which is just

831
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,400
amazing.
It just makes me feel good that

832
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:32,160
like I take a plant for my pain,
but it also gives them a great

833
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,280
mood boost.
And it's just, it's just a light

834
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:38,800
to me, life changing to you get
back to like how I used to be

835
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,520
before I was in pain management
when I just wasn't always

836
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,720
consumed, like being in pain,
you know?

837
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,880
So what's your routine like?
Are you consuming multiple times

838
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,680
a day or just once a day?
Like how are you doing that

839
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,320
right now?
It really just, you know,

840
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:54,280
you're.
Transitioning.

841
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:55,160
I know you're.
Transitioning.

842
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,360
Yeah, it's still still trying
error, trial and error.

843
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:03,800
However, there's some days where
I'm good with my 2 teaspoons in

844
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,000
the morning and I don't need
nothing else the rest of the

845
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:07,640
day.
Sometimes.

846
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,280
Well, and this has been here
lately and I think this is

847
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:15,160
looking like what it my routine
might pan out to be, but the two

848
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:19,360
teaspoons in the morning and
then if I feel like I need it

849
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,640
later in the day, I'll just take
one teaspoon and that's it.

850
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:27,160
That's great.
And have you discovered like is

851
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:30,160
one of the colors of crate, the
green, like there's the green

852
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,600
vein red, the white.
Have you noticed any difference

853
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,120
with like sticking to a certain
color?

854
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,080
I have.
So the first one I tried was

855
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,120
white because well, actually,
no, I'm sorry.

856
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,800
It was a mixture.
The Hulu in the white endo the

857
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:49,400
capsules of this bread because I
was like give me energy, give me

858
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:54,640
energy, waste much I was taken.
It gives you the jitters.

859
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,920
Do not like white at all.
Yeah, too much.

860
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,960
And I don't know Hulu.
Is that a color or is that from

861
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:03,160
a location?
Here's the thing.

862
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:04,880
Because.
I'm like, what other color?

863
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,400
Yeah, it's location, but also
with a lot of companies it's

864
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,200
just part of their marketing and
it's not necessarily from their

865
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:15,360
location, but they call it that.
So Hulu's a region in Indonesia.

866
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,440
And then blends is when they
take couple the different cut,

867
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,640
like they might take a red and a
white and combine it.

868
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,760
And so it's called a blend.
But I always tell people when

869
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,280
they're first starting, just
stick to the individual colors

870
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,240
and try them one at a time and
see how you do.

871
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,800
I mean, some people do great
with all the different ones and

872
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:32,880
then they say, oh, you know
what?

873
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,080
I like the green.
And then I like to add a little

874
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,040
bit of white because I don't
want too much white, but I just

875
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,840
want a little bit extra boost
than what the already gives me.

876
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,640
Some people say the red is great
for relaxation.

877
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:47,240
And that's like a whole, right.
That's like a whole next level

878
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,760
trial and error part of it, you
know?

879
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,800
Yeah.
But yeah, so the white made her,

880
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:57,120
made me too jitter, jittery red.
I've never noticed anything with

881
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:58,800
red.
There was one time I took it

882
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,960
because I've been trying it at
night because they say red is

883
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,600
good for sleep.
And there was one time where I

884
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,480
actually felt it and I got
really sleepy and just, it was

885
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,160
real relaxing.
But any other time I've tried

886
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:13,480
it, I haven't felt anything.
But Green's been my jam.

887
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,480
Green has been real good.
So now I'm trying to figure out

888
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:21,400
like of, you know, all the
samples I got were greens.

889
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,680
I think one of them might be
like a mixture of different

890
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:28,520
ones.
I mean like a green or red like

891
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:30,280
separately but.
Yeah.

892
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:35,520
And then the ether tablets, I
got ordered samples of those, so

893
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,480
I'm waiting on those.
Yeah, those are blends.

894
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,200
You know, I, I've told them that
they really should have their

895
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:46,440
samples be a red, a green and a
white because I mean, samples

896
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,920
are going to people that are new
and I've tried their different

897
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:51,280
blends and none of those work
well.

898
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,200
I mean, I, I love their green.
I have their green powder.

899
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,240
I love the green powder.
I use that daily and I love

900
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,520
their green tablets.
The tablets cost more, but

901
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:02,360
they're great for on the go.
So like I just, they're always,

902
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,440
if I'm leaving home, I have
tablets on me because you never

903
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,560
know, you know, and more so for
somebody like me in chronic

904
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,960
pain, like you know, if I'm
somewhere too long is like I

905
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,800
don't want to go without since I
I dose every six hours.

906
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,800
That's what helps keep me pain
free.

907
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,600
But I just like the convenience
of having tablets on the go.

908
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,640
And it's not the 7OH tablets,
it's just pure.

909
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:25,160
Right.
Oh yeah, I made sure.

910
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:29,120
Whole leaf powder.
I just wanted to have the

911
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,160
experience of the tablet.
Yeah, tablets is like a whole

912
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,480
another.
Level because I like to try out

913
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,080
all the yeah, I like to try out
all the new stuff.

914
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,000
But of course, you know, as long
as it's safe.

915
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:43,840
Yes exactly, that's why I
research and get good reputable

916
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:47,120
vendors that you purchase.
From doing a lot of experiments.

917
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,120
Well, that's good.
This is such an amazing

918
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:52,280
conversation Cassie.
I feel like I could talk to you

919
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,280
all day.
I have one last question for

920
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,120
you.
Knowing everything you know now

921
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:00,080
in this very short period of
time, what advice would you be

922
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,600
giving somebody who is just
starting brand new on their

923
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,240
journey with you being a month
end?

924
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:12,360
The advice I would give would be
obviously buy good quality

925
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:16,680
kratom, go to the vendors and
make sure that their GMP

926
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:20,760
certified that is slab tested.
Make sure it's whole leaf

927
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,720
kratom.
Look at the ingredients, read

928
00:49:23,720 --> 00:49:26,400
the packaging.
Don't do like I did.

929
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,360
You really do want to know what
you're putting in your body.

930
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:33,600
So it's a good idea to read the
package, the low and slow go

931
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:37,720
with the lowest when you first
start out and then figure out

932
00:49:37,720 --> 00:49:40,120
what's going to work and
increase it after that.

933
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:44,800
Be patient.
I actually really liked starting

934
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:46,680
with the capsules.
I don't really.

935
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,160
I've wondered about that though,
like is there a lot of new

936
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,240
people that start straight to
the powder or I mean?

937
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,400
A lot of people start with
capsules because it's just easy

938
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,560
and we're all familiar with
capsules, but with the plain

939
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:03,800
leaf powder, you know, the
capsules are typically .5 to

940
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:05,440
.8g.
So it's not.

941
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:10,560
So if one teaspoon is 2.4g and
let's say the capsules are .5,

942
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:15,640
so it's going to take two
capsules to be, you know, 1g.

943
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,200
So like for somebody like me
that consumes normally about 5

944
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,640
grams, that's going to be a lot
of capsules.

945
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:25,280
And then, you know, all at once
all the capsule shells, they

946
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,600
always would make me like just
not just bloated.

947
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,800
If you're only taking a few
capsules, just a small number is

948
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:35,800
probably not as bad, but if they
were but they were extract with

949
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:37,600
the X those capsules extra.
It was.

950
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:38,960
It was this brand.
Yeah.

951
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,760
So you probably didn't need very
many of those capsules.

952
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,120
So I could see where it was
fine.

953
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:48,520
I had started, I took one
capsule, waited a while, took

954
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:50,400
another and I started feeling
it.

955
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:52,880
But yeah, I'm sorry, I didn't
think about the amount.

956
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:57,120
But yeah, I mean, for me, just
as from my perspective, taking a

957
00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:00,760
pill, something that we're
familiar with, and I don't like

958
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,680
the gel stuff in my stomach or
anything like that either.

959
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:10,040
But just like having it give you
a slow amount at a time I think

960
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:12,720
is a good idea for a beginner
rather than just.

961
00:51:13,240 --> 00:51:16,160
But I mean, you know, if they do
it right and they know what

962
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:19,800
they're doing and they do a
small amount, you know, and of

963
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,120
course, research, research,
research.

964
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:26,720
Like there's so much to learn
about this plant, but I would

965
00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:32,160
just do a lot of research before
you begin and have good

966
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,920
information, like through
Madeline and the Kratom podcast,

967
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:39,600
The Kratom Girls and I keep
forgetting Kratom real talk.

968
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,360
I got a lot going on.
I'm just trying to like tell

969
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,280
people as much as I can.
Right.

970
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,720
It is great information.
You get to hear people's

971
00:51:49,720 --> 00:51:52,400
stories.
It's been awesome.

972
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,840
Well, I'm so glad you found this
podcast on Spotify.

973
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:57,960
That's so exciting when you told
me that and.

974
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,840
Not just kratom, but like this
podcast has changed my life

975
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:05,720
because I've gotten to learn so
much and see a lot from

976
00:52:05,720 --> 00:52:08,640
different perspectives and just
hearing other people's stories

977
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,440
like it's great.
That is so awesome.

978
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:12,960
Thank you.
That's like an awesome

979
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:14,920
compliment.
Well, I would love to bring you

980
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,480
back on maybe when you're like
six months into your journey,

981
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:20,440
have you come back and get
Phyllis in on how you're doing?

982
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,040
And but this has been a great,
great time chatting.

983
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,120
Cassie, thank you for spending
time today.

984
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:31,320
Yeah, thank you for having me.
Thank you for listening.

985
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:35,160
You can get more information at
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986
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,560
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