Ep 54: Deborah Anderson is Living with Diabetes and Thriving with Kratom

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It's so restrictive that now not
only are you in physical pain,

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but you're an emotional and
psychological pain.

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And it just a horrible
existence.

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And kratom has made me feel like
I, I'm actually human being.

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Like it said, it erases the pain
so that, you know, it's not a

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silly an absolute, but it it
takes you back to that place

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where it's like, wow, so this is
like when I was 20 and I feel

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good.
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So I'm here with my good friend
Deborah, who I brought on the

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podcast a while back when she
was brand new to kratom.

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She was like 10 days into her
kratom journey.

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And I said, Deb, you got to come
on the podcast and share this

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short journey you've been on
because I thought it was

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amazing.
And it's been a while now.

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It's been almost a year.
And I thought I should bring you

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back to do a, where are you now
in your kratom journey?

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So, Deborah, thank you so much
for coming back again.

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Thank you for having me.
You know, you're doing this

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wonderful intro and all I can
think of is, Oh no, do I have

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lipstick on my teeth at all?
I didn't check.

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Oh, this is gonna be a fun
conversation.

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A good reason to always have a
mirror right by your laptop to

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make sure well.
The good thing is an audio

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podcast.
I tried to put some video clips

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out in social media, but if I do
some social media clips I

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promise I will not show that.
OK, that's great.

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Thank you.
Hey, I'm I'm real.

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I can't.
That's that's me.

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There you go.
Yeah, I'm the same way.

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I love it.
I had you on back in January

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2024 for episode 11 of the Krame
Stories podcast, and I was so

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excited to have you on back then
because you and I have known

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each other for a long time.
Like I think by now, maybe a

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couple of decades, we go way
back in the music business.

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You know, you're a musician.
I ran a very large online

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community for female musicians
for a very long time.

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And so you and I have a long
history with that.

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But then also you and I are
techie.

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So in our business world, we
always cross paths with that

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with digital marketing, social
media, live streaming and

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podcasting.
And it's so interesting that

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almost a year ago, I am casually
talking about kratom to my

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Madeleine Sklar community, which
is completely separate from this

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in the kratom world, in my
business world, digital

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marketing and social media
marketing.

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I've been doing that for, you
know, for decades, known for

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that.
And I just happened to just

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finally put out there, by the
way, I consume this plant, it's

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called kratom.
It helps me with my chronic

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pain, blah, blah, blah.
I was not really comfortable

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talking about that in my
business world for a really long

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time.
But because I was launching this

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podcast, I thought I, I want to
talk about this a little bit,

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not really thinking, oh, this is
going to, you know, enlighten

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some of my friends and
colleagues.

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We were doing, you know, the
Twitter now known as X audio

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space called spaces and you hear
me mention kratom and you don't

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tell me for like a week, but you
I apparently went and did some

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research, bought some, tried it,
and then all of a sudden you get

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back to me.
Oh my gosh, Madeleine, I tried

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kratom.
This is amazing.

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I'm like, let's get you on the
podcast.

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I want to hear all about this.
So I'm still blown away by that

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story.
Maybe we should kind of start

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with that and have you kind of
let's revisit that and then

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catch up to where you are now.
So this is almost a year ago.

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I'm doing my audio space talking
about the business stuff like

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you and I do, and you'd come on
to listen and hang out and chat

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and you hear me talk about
kratom.

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Tell it, take it from there.
Like tell us exactly what

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happened and what'd you do?
Well.

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I was going to say I feel like
you're a godsend, but see, I

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already know Madeline, you are a
godsend.

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I mean, in music business, but
most of all friends.

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So I mean, you are you're
definitely, you know, hug, hug

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and you're a godsend.
But that day I I mean, I can't

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believe it that I think it was
we talked about the topic is

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live streaming or something.
And I can't remember if you'd

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sent out a note that Hey, you
know, we're talking about live

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streaming.
So I made a special.

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Hey, I'm going to make sure I'm
there.

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And like you said, it wasn't
planned.

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It just you happen to mention
Kratom while we're talking about

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live streaming on your business
and there in the X space.

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But I really felt like like it
was meant to be or something

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because you know, we've been
talking for some time.

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My husband and I have been
talking about moving and it

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sounds so petty, but when you're
dependent on Oxy, for example,

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to be out of pain and you can't
even make it one day because you

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can't function in pain.
I mean, it's like I remember

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trying to write A blog post and
when I'm in pain, I can't even

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it's like you can't write a
sentence because it's just such

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excruciating pain.
And I thought, what am I going

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to do when we move to another
state?

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Like what do I do?
Go get an airplane ticket, go to

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that state, go find a doctor,
get that doctor to somehow

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hopefully prescribe painkiller.
I mean, that's a feat in and of

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itself.
And then come back home and then

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meet with the doctor at home.
But then they're going to know

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about the other doctor and
they're not going to want 2

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prescriptions going and then
still get the oxy here.

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I mean, it sounds silly, but
when you're or it sounds like

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you're just a rabid drug addict.
But I mean, when you can't

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function even a day because
you're in so much pain that

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otherwise you're just going to
curl up in a ball and not, you

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know, I thought, all right, I
can make it.

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Maybe 3 days.
I can make it.

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And then you said this and I
thought, oh wow, I can actually

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live like a human being.
I can be free.

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I can, we can move.
We can, we can live because I

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hated to be tied.
It's it feels like you're a dog

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on a leash and that you're tied
to a doctor, a specific doctor

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or a specific that you're you're
imprisoned and that you have no

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life because you can't function
without pain reliever of some

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sort.
And you can't even move to

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another house in another state
because you can't last one day.

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So it's like you gave me my life
back.

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Not only the pain free part of
it, but just to be able to live

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life without having to answer to
a doctor saying, oh, we're not

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going to give this to you unless
you haven't had any alcohol at

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all at your last birthday
because we'll be able to tell

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even though it was six months
ago, not that bad.

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But I mean, you don't pee in the
cup and check it.

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And I mean, it's just, it's so
restrictive that now I'm not

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only are you in physical pain,
but you're an emotional and

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psychological pain.
And it just, it's a horrible

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existence.
And kratom has made me feel like

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I, I'm actually human being.
Like it said, it erases the pain

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so that you know, it's not a
silly an absolute, but it it

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takes you back to that place
where it's like, wow, this is

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like when I was 20 and I feel
good.

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So many of us feel that way too,
because I have found with Kratom

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and so many other people that
suffer from chronic pain, we

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feel like it brings us back to
our old self before we suffered

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with chronic pain because it
helps the pain so much, but also

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gets you out that headspace of
always being in that place where

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you're so consumed by it.
You're uncomfortable, like

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you're saying, trying to do a
blog post.

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I mean, I could totally relate
because it's, it's just hard to

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work and do things when you're
suffering.

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And even when you are in pain
management, you're getting the

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pain medications.
It's not always that helpful.

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And like you said, you're tied
to a doctor.

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And same.
I felt the same way too.

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Like you feel like you can't
move, you feel like you can't go

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anywhere because you got to be
able to find someone who would

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take that doctor's place and
help take care of you and give

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you that quality of care that
you deserve.

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And it's amazing to me that a
plant can completely disrupt

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that and put you on a path to
Wellness, happiness, and living

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a much better version of your
life.

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Well, I mean, you know, talking
about doctors and stuff and just

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say I don't want to if anyone's
listening to like my diabetic

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real podcast, I say things.
I'm not against all doctors in

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the world, but I do think that
there should be a little more

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balance as far as we should
treat people nice.

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I think that's what I'm trying
to say is, is no shaming of

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people, including the whole oxy
epidemic and saying, Oh, no,

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you're a drug addict because you
took one oxy pill and the whole

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thing.
But like in the pee in a cup

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thing where I went in and I was
I was tested and I hadn't had

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any alcohol in like 18 months
and any but yet I was accused of

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drinking alcohol.
I did have some cough syrup, but

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that was like 4 days before and
I guess that can show up as a

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positive for alcohol.
But the there was something, it

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turns out that because of my
diabetes, you know, you've heard

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of this thing where it's like
Brewers whatever, where it can

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show up as having alcohol or
yeah, and I don't think I have

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that.
But there is something that

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turns out that because of the
diabetes, it can show up that

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there's alcohol, even though I
swear I didn't have any for 18

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months.
But my doctor really likes me.

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She sent in this other gal that
just reamed me up.

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I literally walked out of there
in tears because it's like, is

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this, is this worth it?
That not only I'm going in here

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to try to get pain relief for
physical pain, I did what I was

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supposed to.
I didn't have anything to drink.

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I peed in a cup.
They checked it and now they're

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yelling at me for something.
I did not do it.

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Just, you know, and kratom,
there's the plants not yelling

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at me.
So that's really a good thing

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that the kratom is not yelling
at me.

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I love that the plant is not
doing that because it's, it's

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supposed to be doing and, and
giving you a, a better, you

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know, fuller life.
I'm so glad looking back that I

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mentioned Kratom, even though I
never really felt comfortable

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talking about my pain issues in
my business community.

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I always felt like business and
personal should be separate.

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So even though I've suffered
from chronic pain, severe

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chronic pain for almost 2
decades now, I just did not

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really feel comfortable bringing
it, bringing it up in any of my

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business stuff.
Now, if I'm with, you know,

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business colleagues and it's an
extended, like maybe you're

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going to a conference together
and maybe you're sharing a hotel

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room or something where it's
more of an intimate thing, I

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feel like, OK, I got to let them
know because they're going to be

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seeing me popping pills.
If it's a casual thing, I can

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sit here and take my meds and
nobody would ever know the

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difference.
So I never felt like I had to

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talk about it.
But when you're traveling or

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just spending a lot of time
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I always felt like, OK, I'm
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I do suffer from chronic pain.
I'm just taking my, my pain

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medicine, you know, no worries.
I'm just, I don't want you to

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think I just keep popping pills
because I'm, you know, having

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issues with drugs.
But I just always kept it

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separate.
But there was just something

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about that X space you and I
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I think there was like back in
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around the holidays, I think.
So we're coming up on a year.

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And I just thought, you know
what?

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Because a lot of it was because
I had the new podcast, this

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podcast was getting ready to
launch or I think it had just

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launched.
So I thought I'm just going to

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mention it And I just didn't
know what kind of reaction.

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I just had no idea that like it
would cause you to go and

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research it further and then go
buy some and not only, you know,

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you went out and bought some,
you bought it from somebody.

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I know trade industry and
somebody, you know, from the

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business world that I kind of
knew in the business world, but

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not really.
And it's like, so when you

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started talking about, you know,
where you bought your Kratom and

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I was like, Oh my gosh, what a
small, small world we live in.

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So we definitely have to have
people listen to your first

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episode, episode 11.
I'll, I'll link to it in the

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show notes because you tell so
many interesting stories in

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that.
Are you still consuming Kratom

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through that company?
I do when I order it, it's just

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I, I have to be honest, like,
well, not like I would say that

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I have to be honest.
Like what am I doing if I don't

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say I have to be honest the rest
of the time I'm lying.

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But no, it's just, it's just a
phrase.

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It's like but I do use the
pills, the ones you recommended

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from Ether.
Is it?

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Is it?
Pronounced yeah, I'm sorry, say

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pills and then you start
thinking oxy.

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Pills or something?
Tablets.

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Tablets that would be more more
correct, but is it ether or

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ether?
Ether, Ether.

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Pronounced ether.
Botanicals and I have a link to

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that and on my website, it's one
of a handful of vendors that

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I've personally research, fully
gotten to know the people behind

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them and purchase them myself
for my personal kratom

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consumption.
So I'm only going to recommend

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the ones that I use that helps
me in my chronic pain.

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And so Ethan Botanicals has been
one of my favorite for several

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years because they do those
press tablets.

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And just to clarify, it's not
those new 7OH tablets

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everybody's hearing about.
That's like a whole new who wave

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a products that have come out
that are synthesized is taking

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kratom extracts, which are
already potent and synthesizing

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it further to make it way more
potent to the point that it's

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basically an opioid.
And they're calling it, you

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know, is taking the seven
hydroxymetragynine alkaloid and

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making it crazy strong.
But because it comes from the

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kratom plant, the mitrogyny,
they are calling it a kratom

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product and they really
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So just know that whenever I'm
to the point where I always

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clarify this if I talk about
tablets because people are being

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led.
To.

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These similar H tablets like in
the smoke shops are pushing them

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really hard right now.
They're expensive, they're crazy

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strong and they could be
addictive.

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So I it is, and we hope that you
know, this gets resolved that

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they can't keep calling it
Kratom.

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But what I like is what you're
talking about the ether

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botanicals they have.
They do have some extract

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tablets.
I don't do that.

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Just the regular whole leaf
kratom tablets, which is

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basically the powder, but in a
tablet form and I use their

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powder too.
I like those tablets for on the

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go.
They're so great for that.

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But I'm glad that you you've
been using the tablets because

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it's such an easy way to consume
Kratom and it doesn't have the

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bad taste.
I just, I got lazy and it was

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like, oh, I'll just, you know,
for a week I'll just use them

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all the time instead because I
used to just use them at night.

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Like if I got up and I couldn't
sleep and too much pain, then I

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would grab them because
otherwise you get up and you use

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the, the powder form.
Then I'm too awake and I already

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suffer from, you know, getting
having trouble going back to

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sleep.
So that way you can just pop the

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tablets and you go back to
sleep.

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Well, so that I got a little bit
lazy and it's like, well, I'll

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just splurge, you know, for the
week and I'll just use the

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tablets and presents 2 weeks.
And then it's like, well, I'll

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just go on the website and I'll
just make up for it and order a

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whole bunch of them.
And, and so I, I think I haven't

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used the powder form and
probably, oh, I don't know, four

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months because I just keep
using.

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The tablet.
I just love them.

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Yeah.
Oh, they're.

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So.
I mean, I still have the Mason

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jars.
I love that you recommended

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that.
That's great.

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So I still have my powder and
the Mason jars.

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And when I do order, I order
from now.

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I forgot it.
Oh, and Wade's, I still order

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from Wade when I do order.
Yeah, Kratom family.

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I was like family something
Wade's family.

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But hi, Wade.
Thank you.

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Wade.
I'm sorry, but yeah, so I order,

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I order from them when it's the
powder form, but otherwise I've

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been ordering the tablets and
that's what I've been used and I

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I watch for.
And I learned this from you mad.

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But I always watch for the sale.
So I try to go for the 40% off.

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And then of course, I'm ordering
so much that then I get the the

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customer loyalty points.
Yeah, but I'm done.

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Then I've got 40% off with those
and I always just go for, I

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mean, I might be spending like
300 or so at a time, but then,

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then I'm getting a whole bunch
of them at once and can't

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remember what combination.
It's like I've got obviously

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the, the 1000 pills.
I'm trying to remember what the

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combination.
There's a certain combination.

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I, I sit and play with the
calculator just as a tip if

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anyone wants to do it, but you
play with the calculator in the,

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in the shopping base, the
shopping bag or shopping cart.

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You play with it and watch the
discount to see what combination

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comes up for the amount that you
want.

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And I think it ends up being
like two of the, it's not as

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obvious like where it's 1000 and
then 500 might be 1500 and then

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125 or something.
It's an odd combination that

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ends up being exactly the amount
that I want to spend.

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But but you can sit and play
with it and remove bags.

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Add two of one and.
Add figure it out.

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Until you get the amount you
want to spend.

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I always watch for their sales
too and I do recommend the

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tablets for people new to kratom
because it's so easy.

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The powder is messy, it tastes
bad.

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I wish tablets were out back
when I first started kratom and

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I had discovered them because I
probably would have never done

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powder.
I would just do the tablets.

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But the only thing is the
tablets are more pricey so I'm

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used to the powder.
What I do is I buy both their

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powder and tablets.
I watch for when they're having

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a sale.
I'll have a link to it in the

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show notes if anybody, and they
do have sample tablets for free.

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I'll put a link to all that in
the show notes if anybody wants

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to check it out.
But I'm starting to when I talk

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to people new and they're coming
to me asking me like where

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should I buy this?
What do you recommend and asking

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me all the questions I'm
starting to tell people try the

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tablets first because it's so
easy.

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I mean, yes, it's a little
pricier, but when you're new,

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you just want to see if this
stuff even works and you want

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don't want to have to deal with
a mess of powder or you know,

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the bitter taste of of the
kratom when you make a tea or do

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the toss and wash.
So I've been telling people to

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start with that.
And then once you find what

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works for you, you could always
just do the powder version

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because literally they're
tablets.

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You can crush up a tablet and it
is their powder.

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There's no fillers, There's
nothing I did and I love that

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about Youthub.
I'm surprised more kratom

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companies don't do a tablet
version but.

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It's surprising.
I want to.

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Yeah, I'm definitely curious.
Well, so let's start.

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Let's kind of back up a little
bit to like just your chronic

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pain issues.
We want to deep dive into it

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because people can go listen.
I'll link to your previous

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episode to get the longer
version.

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But why don't we talk a little
bit about like, what are the

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chronic issues you deal with and
how is kratom helping it?

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I think that my main issue has
to do with the diabetes that one

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now I think my what's that?
My neurologist, I'm trying to

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remember which, you know, I
talked to so many doctors that

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try to figure out which doctor
said what, but I had and I

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believe I said this in the
other, the other episode, 120

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seizures.
I think after that I stopped

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counting.
Fortunately, I'm seizure free

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now for like going on three to 3
1/2 years, whatever it is now

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you can go back the other
episode and then like add almost

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a year to that or you know,
whatever.

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But so the, it's kind of a
combination and I won't, I don't

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have to go and I have diabetes
and I have epilepsy.

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So seizures don't hurt people,
but falling from the seizure,

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you know, breaking legs 3, all
that stuff.

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So I have bunged up my body.
I'll just think about 120 falls

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and maybe a couple of them were
with the bed, but most of them

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are hitting floors hitting,
desks hitting walls hitting.

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I think I broke a door one time.
Oh my.

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Goodness.
I've done the house some damage,

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but then the house has done me
some damage too.

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So so that all comes with some
issues, but mostly the on the

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diabetes and it's the nerve
damage the like.

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Now I don't this part of it, I
haven't researched entirely, but

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the, I almost said diabetic
retinopathy, but that's the

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eyes, that's diabetic and they
don't hurt.

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My eyes don't hurt fortunately.
But then the diabetic

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neuropathy, and this is where I
disagreed with my neurologist.

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I was in for a seizure study and
he says, well, then, then you

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don't feel anything.
I definitely can feel my feet.

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I feel too much as far as my
feet.

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So he's like, well, and I guess
that's the neuropathy where you

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have less feeling whatever.
I don't know what it's called.

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I just know that whatever pain I
have in my body is the same pain

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I used to have as a little kid,
like with my blood sugar went

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high.
That's the kind of pain that I

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used to only get when I had high
blood sugar.

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Now I have it all the time and
it's like times 100.

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So that's why I say, I think
it's whatever you call it.

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I don't know what the medical
term is for.

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Or maybe they don't have medical
term.

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Maybe it's not diabetic
neuropathy.

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I don't know.
But I think it has something to

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do with nerve endings because it
used to just be like in my legs,

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but now it's the same pain all
throughout my body.

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And I think it has to do with
just having diabetes for the

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number of decades.
I mean, I don't get my age, but

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you can probably guess like, you
know, four or five decades of

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diabetes, it's going to do some
nerve ending damage.

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And like I say on my podcast,
for those people being diagnosed

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with diabetes, with type 1
diabetes now, you're in a great

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place.
I mean, OK, that sounds wrong.

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And I say, oh, yeah, we have
diabetes.

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I don't mean it that way, but as
far as technology, the insulin

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pump, you know, all the stuff
that's out there, you've got a

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great future as far as diabetes
goes.

443
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,680
You've got all the tools to have
a wonderful life.

444
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,760
But when I was diagnosed in the
70s, now you can, you can do the

445
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,480
math and I'll just I'll let you
do the math on that one.

446
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,840
But but they didn't have that.
I mean, they didn't, they

447
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,920
weren't even doing blood tests.
So, you know, other than than

448
00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,040
doing a pee test.
And that was kept telling you

449
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:00,600
what your blood sugar.
Well, let's even tell you what

450
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,480
your blood sugar was.
It was telling you what the

451
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:06,000
measurement was as far as urine,
not to get gross, but was like

452
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,280
two hours ago.
You know, what good does that do

453
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,560
is first what you're what you're
managing.

454
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,520
So when I was diagnosed not to
complain, that's all we had.

455
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:19,360
So the difference between when I
was diagnosed in 76 and 1985 was

456
00:22:19,360 --> 00:22:22,560
a whole world of change because
by 85, we're definitely doing

457
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,520
blood tests at home.
And then from there, I mean,

458
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:29,440
it's almost like every decade
the technology for diabetes was

459
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,520
it was doubling or quadrupling
or 10 times better.

460
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,320
I mean, the stuff that I've seen
in my lifetime as far as

461
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,040
diabetes management is
phenomenal.

462
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:44,520
But that first decade from 76 to
85 or even 76 to 80 was, it was

463
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,640
like non existent.
It's like, do the doctors

464
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:48,800
realize there's diabetic people
out there?

465
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,280
You know, So you know, I don't
blame anyone or anything like

466
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:53,560
that.
I'm not, it's not a complaint.

467
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:57,040
It's just obviously my body had
damage during that first ten

468
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,760
years and there wasn't.
It's just, it's about when I was

469
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,400
diagnosed.
Nothing can be done to change

470
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,600
that.
It's just my body now is

471
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,400
suffering.
You know the ramp.

472
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,200
Of.
When I was diagnosed and there's

473
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,680
nothing that can be undone.
But to me that to me, I'm

474
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,520
representative of the fact that
I'm still alive.

475
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,240
Because you know, I think I told
you in the last broadcast where

476
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:21,840
the pharmacist said you're the
oldest, I you're the oldest type

477
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:23,680
one I've had.
It's like, is that is that a

478
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:25,840
good thing?
Or, you know, it's like you're

479
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,400
so healthy, you're so alive.
It's like, OK, that's good.

480
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,840
But I, I forget to vote for
everyone that, you know, that's

481
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,160
after me, that look, you can
live like a normal person.

482
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,280
You have all this technology
that's to your benefit and you

483
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:38,840
have Kratoms.
So if I do.

484
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,320
Have.
Anything you, you know, there's

485
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:42,640
hope.
That's what I want to be as a

486
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,920
beacon for hope for people
coming up.

487
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:49,920
That's amazing, how is kratom
helping you with living with

488
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,080
diabetes?
I feel like it.

489
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,840
I keep, you know, I keep saying
helps me to feel like a normal

490
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,240
person, but that's assuming that
I don't feel like a normal

491
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,600
person.
But I mean, okay, I guess wait,

492
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,880
I'd make sure that I didn't have
my Oh, I do OK, I was like,

493
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,080
where'd I put my pump?
It's on my bra and I'm sensor

494
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,400
out of the visual.
It's like I wore I wore my belt

495
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,760
just so I wouldn't have to grab
it from my bra.

496
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:15,000
But that see that I'm sharing
that because that is life being

497
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,200
a diabetic.
And I know guys don't wear bras,

498
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,720
but it's like, all right, what
am I going to attach to?

499
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,160
And and most guys can stick it
on a belt, but it's like we

500
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,360
women, if we're going to wear
and I had that in one of the

501
00:24:25,360 --> 00:24:27,160
episodes, we're going to wear a
dress or something.

502
00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:28,960
You have to attach it to
something.

503
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,240
So it's like, Oh, I'll just
attach it to the bra because

504
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:35,480
it's it's right there.
But I did for anyone listening

505
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,560
and not seeing the video, I did
stay closed the whole time, all

506
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,280
the time reaching up and doing
that.

507
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,960
So but yeah, I mean, if you
want, you're spending life

508
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,880
walking around with a device
that obviously is not considered

509
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,560
what normal people do because
they don't have to walk around.

510
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,680
So I guess when I say that
haven't trying to live a life

511
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,840
that's normal, maybe there's a
better word for that, but more

512
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,120
standard or something.
The way most people live and

513
00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:01,560
most people are not living with
a device attached to their bra.

514
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:06,280
So kratom helps me to in the
grander scheme of things, live

515
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,120
life more normal as far as a
pain free.

516
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,160
And to me, it's a part of that,
like I said, grander scheme as

517
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,320
far as being balanced and being
able to be pain free.

518
00:25:15,360 --> 00:25:18,480
And along with the other tools
like the insulin pump, like like

519
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,600
insulin for that matter, it's
maybe my body doesn't produce

520
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,120
insulin, but through the medical
technology I can have insulin

521
00:25:25,120 --> 00:25:29,400
coming in through insulin pump.
Well, kratom is my pain relief.

522
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:34,280
So now I can be like I'm 20 and
feel normal, feel alive and feel

523
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,680
like I can get stuff done.
I can clean my house, I can

524
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,440
write A blog post, I can do live
stream.

525
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,480
I can do 2 podcasts instead of 1
and maybe eventually all 7.

526
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,480
So.
You're like me.

527
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,000
It's like more and more and
more.

528
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,640
So many things I want to do.
And because of kratom, we feel

529
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,400
better.
So we feel like we can do it.

530
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:50,680
Yep.
Yeah.

531
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,240
So in addition to the pain
relief, do you feel like kratom

532
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,480
helps with other things?
You know, so many people say I

533
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,600
get the energy boost or the mood
lift and just, you know, oh, I

534
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,880
don't suffer from anxiety or
depression anymore that I used

535
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:04,920
to take medication for.
It's always interesting that

536
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,320
people have other results they
get from the plant other than

537
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:12,440
just those seeking pain relief.
Probably as I hadn't really

538
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,480
thought of it that way, but
probably because it that's a

539
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,640
good point.
I should, I should think to sit

540
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,280
down and analyze that, but I
think the pain was just so

541
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,120
debilitating that it was like
when I was in so much pain.

542
00:26:24,120 --> 00:26:25,680
Which overtakes everything.
Yeah.

543
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,800
When we live in that chronic
pain state, it overtakes our

544
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,880
whole life.
Because without the pain I, I am

545
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,880
higher energy and I'm happy and
I'm so it's like without the

546
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,160
pain, I feel like I'm myself and
that's already not depressed.

547
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,840
So I'm happy, higher energy and
getting stuff done.

548
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,160
So I guess I hadn't noticed that
it necessarily made me happier

549
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,240
or higher energy because to me
it just it removed the pain.

550
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:49,920
So I'm myself.
Right.

551
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,080
Well, yeah, and that's how I
feel, too.

552
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,840
Well, I do not suffer from
depression.

553
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:59,000
I mean, going through, you know,
chronic pain back in the day and

554
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,000
being in pain management and
always suffering and always

555
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,600
feeling like the meds are OK,
but it's never enough.

556
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,040
It puts you in a state of just
like, you feel like you got a

557
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,280
black cloud over your head and
you're always just, you know,

558
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,160
have a form of depression.
But I'm not talking about, like,

559
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,080
severe depression where you're
getting medical intervention.

560
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:22,080
And so I feel better physically,
which then lifts my mood and

561
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,000
makes me feel, it sounds like
you're like me, where you just

562
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,400
overall feel better because of
this plant.

563
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,160
But there's actually people I've
talked to that are taking it for

564
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,040
chronic pain.
But then they're like, yeah.

565
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,880
And I feel so much better now.
I'm not even taking my anxiety

566
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,400
medicine anymore.
I'm not taking my medicine, you

567
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,800
know, for depression or like,
like, being that they were

568
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,960
taking a variety of meds for a
variety of things.

569
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,440
But it seems like with a lot of
people, they at least get like

570
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,040
an energy boost, freedom, which
is what I feel.

571
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,920
I definitely feel a little bit
of an energy boost, like like a

572
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,760
cup of coffee.
I drink so much Diet Coke that

573
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:04,960
probably and Michael just bought
a soda machine that you can that

574
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:09,480
we can make soda home so.
Well, this is a perfect time to

575
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,280
segue into the whole food thing
because when I had you on the

576
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,800
first time on episode 11 of the
Kratom Stories podcast, we got

577
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,480
into quite the discussion of
you.

578
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,720
You were brand new to kratom
again.

579
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,840
You were like 10 days in your
journey and you and your husband

580
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,120
were working up all kinds of
concoctions of like, how can we

581
00:28:26,120 --> 00:28:29,280
use this kratom powder in food?
And I always remembered before

582
00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:33,120
the story of Michael making
kratom quesadillas.

583
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,440
Which I've.
Never heard in my 5 1/2 years

584
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,800
being a pregnant consumer, I've
never heard anybody try that.

585
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,280
But it's interesting hearing
like how people have tried

586
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,120
incorporating it with food.
You don't hear it too often.

587
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,520
I don't think it works really
that great with food.

588
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,920
But you were telling us all
kinds of interesting and the

589
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,320
teas you were made, you're
making all kinds of drinks and

590
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,680
stuff.
So I'd love to hear now that

591
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,680
we're almost a year later, are
you still trying different

592
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,440
drinks?
Have you kind of settled?

593
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,800
You said.
You have tablets, you know, I

594
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,720
think the only thing on that one
that's changed other than I've

595
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,080
settled and we're not
experimenting.

596
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,520
I think Michael stopped too.
He's just, he's like this just

597
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,920
looks like dirt.
And then and then I have this

598
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,680
other thing where I have bladder
teeth because I'd also tried

599
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,920
different medicines that my
urologist.

600
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:22,760
And I'm sorry guys, I'm just
giving you way too much

601
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,440
information.
So if it's too much, you just,

602
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,160
you know, come back later and
listen, you give me some

603
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:32,440
medicines and mostly for pain
unrelated that the kratom wasn't

604
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,320
working for.
And the urologist gave me some

605
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,720
medicines and they had side
effects.

606
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,920
Like actually one was starting
to cause me to have seizures.

607
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,280
Like this isn't going to work.
And I'm thinking, well, if

608
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,520
kratom works, there's got to be
a better solution.

609
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,360
So I found this stuff called
Bladder T on Amazon.

610
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,040
So my husband's teasing me.
He goes, so you've got the

611
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,760
kratom looks like the dirt, and
now you've got the stuff that

612
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,480
looks like lawn clippings.
He goes, why don't you just go

613
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,360
out in the backyard?
And you could probably just, you

614
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:02,400
know, just eat from the backyard
and you'd be fine, Like because

615
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,640
I'm not sure which stuff to eat
and I don't want, you know, the

616
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,040
dog Doo Doo mixed.
It'll be bad.

617
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,000
It's like, yeah, so I have an
interesting because now I have

618
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,760
the bladder tea that actually is
tea and I I did not try mixing

619
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,200
the Kratom in with that, that
that's kind of nasty enough.

620
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,040
Yeah.
You know, I have experimented

621
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,160
with like my morning kratom.
You know, I do the swamp water

622
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,200
tea and just I don't do it like
a big drink because I don't I'm

623
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:30,960
not a tea drinker.
I remember you were telling this

624
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,480
last time that you were making,
you know, some teas and stuff

625
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,280
because you like to drink tea.
I just heat up a little bit of

626
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,120
water, mix in my powder, add
some juice, drink it really

627
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:40,520
fast.
I was trying to slam it right

628
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,480
down.
But in the morning, I like using

629
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,600
like, you know, some of the
green powder, not kratom green,

630
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,000
but like, you know, the ones
where it's like freeze dried

631
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,360
fruits and veggies kind of, you
know, like the healthy stuff

632
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,800
like you put in smoothies.
And my routine has been adding

633
00:30:56,040 --> 00:31:01,840
my green powder and turmeric.
And so for a while, like I want

634
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,880
to incorporate that into my
morning routine.

635
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:05,720
I mean, these are things
normally you put into a

636
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,840
smoothie, but I want to like,
OK, can I put this in my morning

637
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,800
kratom swamp water?
So I was doing that for a while.

638
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,480
The good thing about the green
powder is a Berry flavor and

639
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,760
it's like, and it's like veggies
and fruits and vitamins and

640
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,160
stuff.
So it tastes pretty good.

641
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:24,160
But turmeric, I do not like the
taste of it all that is 1 spice.

642
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,000
I do not like, I don't like it
at all.

643
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,840
I think it's like a spice right
in that kind of technical spice.

644
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:34,400
It definitely smells like 1.
So for a while I was just adding

645
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:38,760
all that into my morning kratom
and then it dawned on me because

646
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,760
I'm used to the kratom taste
like I can drink my kratom swamp

647
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,440
water doesn't bother me anymore.
But that turmeric, it makes me

648
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,400
want to puke every time I
consume it.

649
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,760
It's so gross.
But I know it has a lot of great

650
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,400
health benefits.
I feel like I am getting the

651
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,480
benefits.
So it dawned on me recently like

652
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,560
why don't I put the powder in
the Blake pipes?

653
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,800
Why don't I just like ah, take
the turmeric.

654
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,840
Here's here was my thinking.
It's like, OK, I got the green

655
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,880
powder that everybody wants.
I'll be sure to link in the show

656
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,000
notes.
I I get the green powder from

657
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,280
Whole Foods.
I think you can order it online

658
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:10,960
too.
But I really it's a brand I've

659
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:12,880
been using for like probably 12
years now.

660
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,960
Is it really good for, you know,
if you're into health stuff like

661
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,440
me?
So my thinking was why don't I

662
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,520
put why don't I make a blade
Pape with the turmeric powder

663
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:27,680
and the Super green powder
combined not mixing up and I

664
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,440
scoop 1 then scoop the other so
they're basically one on top of

665
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,240
each other in the blade Pape.
My thinking is the rare occasion

666
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,880
that the blade Pape doesn't go
down and it opens up in your

667
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,920
mouth or in your throat.
If I taste that much turmeric I

668
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,800
will definitely puke so I
thought.

669
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,920
But if I have the green powder
with it, maybe it won't beat so

670
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:47,720
bad, you know?
That's.

671
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,880
Been my logical thinking and I'm
pretty good at taking blade

672
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:52,240
pain.
So I think I've only messed up

673
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,880
like once where it didn't go
down and and then you're just

674
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,640
tasting everything you know the
kratom powder.

675
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,800
So my morning routine is I still
do my kratom swamp order and

676
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,680
then right afterwards I do a
blade Pape with the green powder

677
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,320
and the turmeric powder and I
just down it really quick.

678
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,160
And so far I've done pretty well
with that.

679
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,840
It hasn't been too gross.
I just don't like the taste of

680
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:14,600
turmeric.
But you know, when you're trying

681
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,920
to take healthy supplements, a
lot of supplements taste bad.

682
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,680
You know, there's a lot of them
that just have a nasty taste.

683
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:23,240
I don't.
Know of any that taste?

684
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,600
Even the cranberry pills don't
taste good.

685
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,920
Yeah.
Yeah, so I.

686
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,000
Forgot about that blade paint.
Yeah, I when I have been doing

687
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,280
the powder, that's the most
probably 80% of the time I use

688
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,520
the the Blake Papes.
I remember you in the last

689
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,640
episode you you said that you
tried the Blake Papes.

690
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,400
I think you had just tried them.
I think I'd just gotten them

691
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,720
like I'd ordered them, but it
was still too new and I just

692
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:46,480
started.
Yeah.

693
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,320
Yeah, yeah.
Which is.

694
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,120
And it really just shows that
you hear me casually talk about

695
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,120
kratom and then you do a bunch
of research.

696
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:59,200
I always recommend everybody do
their own research, you know,

697
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,680
learn about this and there's a
lot to learn with this plant.

698
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,120
This is not a simple plant.
There's so many little things

699
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:10,280
about it.
But I had also started back then

700
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,960
when I had you on the podcast,
my Kratom Real Talk Community,

701
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:17,080
which is a free online private
kratom community for people to

702
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,719
come on and talk about kratom
and not deal with censorship we

703
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,400
get on social media and not
worry about an algorithm on

704
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,080
social media.
It's kind of like a Facebook

705
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,280
group is how I look at it.
And you join that.

706
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,080
And I had so much.
I have a ton of information in

707
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,239
there for people new to kratom.
So I'm sure you found a lot of

708
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,040
that helpful early on.
I know I had videos like how to

709
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,159
use blank papes.
I have videos of me, here's how

710
00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:44,400
I use it.
I have like a 7 minute video

711
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:49,520
walking through everything so
that people that are learning,

712
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:53,960
you know, can see from somebody
first hand experience of using

713
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,360
something like that.
So I hope you found all that

714
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,520
helpful in there because I've
really geared a lot of

715
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,320
information in there for people
brand new to Craneham.

716
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,840
But now you've been like almost
a year in, you're probably

717
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,320
feeling like an expert.
Well, it definitely helped

718
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,880
watching, I think.
Did I say I tried it and it

719
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,560
worked really well the first
time I used it and then the

720
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,360
second one didn't or something.
I went back and watched your

721
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:17,880
video.
I'm like, I need to pay more

722
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,200
attention because it's like my
fingers were wet.

723
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,120
The second one I did so then it
stuck and then started to

724
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,480
disintegrate or something.
And it's like, Oh my God, it's

725
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,320
in my mouth right away before it
disintegrates all over every.

726
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,640
And I was doing it.
I do it at my desk.

727
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,240
Like I have this little spot,
but I, I don't have a lot of

728
00:35:33,240 --> 00:35:36,680
space there without it going
onto the computer keyboard,

729
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,040
which I don't want.
I think one time I opened up the

730
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,120
bag to get ready to do it and it
like blew all into my face.

731
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,760
I'm like, OK, great.
This is all over my computer

732
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,240
keyboard.
This is like all over my desk.

733
00:35:49,240 --> 00:35:51,080
It's like, this is not the place
to do it.

734
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,240
You know you should do it in the
kitchen in between.

735
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,640
The kitchen I don't because you
never know if the you're going

736
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,640
to make a mess with the powder.
So I always stick to the

737
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,320
kitchen.
To be really careful and I have

738
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,800
the special bag for it so I can
pop the bag up.

739
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,120
It's like an accessory bag for a
computer accessory bag.

740
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,360
So like everything is my scales
in there.

741
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,600
I have everything like perfectly
organized and I thought I'm not

742
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,600
going to make a mess.
But then the whole thing was

743
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,520
because I remember I mentioned
it, I think in X space and y'all

744
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,160
were laughing like, Yep, that's
happened.

745
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,240
We've had, you know, it's your
first.

746
00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:25,200
You got a face full of kratom.
And it's like, Yep.

747
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,880
But fortunately I had one of
those keyboard covers and it was

748
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,040
actually didn't have any holes
in it or anything.

749
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,280
So I was able to just pull the
keyboard cover right off the

750
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,880
keyboard and my my keyboard was
rescued.

751
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,040
But it's like I had to apologize
to my computer.

752
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,480
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to feed
you, that was for me.

753
00:36:42,240 --> 00:36:44,320
Oh, that's funny, I love that.
Oh man.

754
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:48,680
So what's your current kratom
routine like these days?

755
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,520
How often are you consuming it?
What kind do you like to

756
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,800
consume?
Like which color and strain?

757
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:58,160
I like the Super elephant.
Is it super the green?

758
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,840
The green is still the yeah,
super elephant.

759
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,120
I think I'm just combined two
different ones together.

760
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,760
And then and then there's the
elephant green.

761
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,160
Yeah.
I have them labeled on my Mason

762
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:11,480
jars.
But pretty much when that comes

763
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,040
in I'm I'm dumping it into my
little Mason jars right away and

764
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,400
then have on my my shelf.
But for the most part, I'm doing

765
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:22,040
the, the tablets probably since
July, I've almost exclusively

766
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,680
been doing the tablets.
And then I have that in a little

767
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,960
container that I, I keep trying
to make sure I used to have it

768
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,840
in the bags that they come in,
like then it would sit on the

769
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:33,680
floor because I want to make
sure they're accessible.

770
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,400
So I have it right by my chair,
the computer.

771
00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:39,280
But problem is, I have the dog's
treats right?

772
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,720
Now.
I'm like, if I don't get that

773
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:46,280
thing zipped up, the dog is
because she's really sneaky.

774
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,880
She'll Trudy will just go over
there and she'll stick her her

775
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,680
face into her dog treats and
then start eating her dog treats

776
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,960
so that she's going to go over
there and stick her vase into my

777
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,960
into my kratom and start eating
my kratoms.

778
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,960
So some vendors sell kratom for
dogs like apparently it's a

779
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,160
thing, you know, kratom for dogs
for pain and stuff there and

780
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,080
they've been do researchers have
been researching it with dogs

781
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:08,560
too.
I just.

782
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,240
Don't want to spend that much
money.

783
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,520
I love my dog.
Like she'll like chow down, you

784
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,840
know, like a whole mouthful of
these kratoms.

785
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,680
Like so no, I have something
that's kind of like Tupperware.

786
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:21,840
It's really well sealed so I
just make sure.

787
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,320
That.
Have that and then that can

788
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:25,520
move.
It's small and I should have

789
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,800
brought it over here, but it's
small enough that I can just go

790
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,200
from room to room.
So at night I keep it in the

791
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,560
bedroom and then just bring it
in the office.

792
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,200
And when I was counting out like
how many tablets and, and

793
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,400
Michaels, like how many, you
know, accidentally kill

794
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,400
yourself, you're taking some
tablets and said no.

795
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,800
The nice thing about the tablets
is you can actually count them.

796
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,480
You know, I'm counting 24, so
I'm actually counting them out

797
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,440
so.
Well, I think the reason why

798
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:51,000
people you can because like when
I do the the ether tablets was

799
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,040
the for me.
What's the equivalent of my

800
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:56,760
usual 2 teaspoons of powder is
12 tablets.

801
00:38:57,240 --> 00:38:59,560
And if I was doing capsules,
it'd probably be a lot of

802
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,360
capsules.
I don't do capsules though, but

803
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:05,840
people outside of the of kratom
users, they look at that and go,

804
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,120
Oh my gosh, that's a lot. 12
tablets.

805
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:13,280
What what are you doing?
But a pill is synthesized to be

806
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,120
so that you just take one,
right?

807
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,240
Everything is in packed into
that one.

808
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,520
But what we're consuming is a
plant, you know, a whole new

809
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:24,560
powder like with ether, it is
literally the powder that is

810
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:28,360
pressed with a crazy amount of
pressure to make those tablets.

811
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:32,000
But if you crush up those
tablets, that equals your powder

812
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,960
you would normally consume.
So I know a lot of people don't

813
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,040
understand, you know, that are
not cream consumers, Like why do

814
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,760
you take so much of this?
But that's it's just not the

815
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,720
same thing as taking a
pharmaceutical pill.

816
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,200
Right.
It's just a form of measurement

817
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,160
and it's I take more than 12,
but I take quite a few.

818
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,120
But I haven't had.
I've only ever once had the.

819
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:53,880
What is it The creative?
Machine the.

820
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,040
Wobbles, wobbles, that's what it
is and it wasn't on the tablets

821
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,200
it was on.
Can't remember what I'd done but

822
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,920
I I mean I measure it but I
wasn't using the scale at the

823
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:06,800
time and I didn't did something.
Sometimes some vendors might

824
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,240
have a a strain that's stronger,
you know, with the kratom

825
00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:13,520
family, with Wade, you know, he
has some that are low.

826
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,800
Like he has a stronger green
that is a little too strong.

827
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,280
Like if I like if I use it I
can't do my regular dose because

828
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,960
it's a bit stronger.
That might be what I did is use

829
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,480
that one because it was, yeah.
It might have been something

830
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,040
like that, but it's so
interesting because when I first

831
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,680
started kratom and people said
about talking about the wobbles,

832
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,720
I'm like, what are the wobbles?
And it's really kind of hard to

833
00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:37,200
explain, but if you have the
wobbles, you know, I think

834
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,680
that's the best thing to put it
like you'll know when you have

835
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,840
the wobble.
I had it one time because I

836
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,880
wrote to you and I had, it's
like, I think that was the

837
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:46,880
wobbles because it was like I
just had to go lay down.

838
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,320
It wasn't, it wasn't a seizure
at all, but it was something

839
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,120
like I was shaky, but it was
something that wasn't a seizure,

840
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,080
but it wasn't, it wasn't really
good either.

841
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,200
It's like if you have too much
caffeine, it's just that little

842
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,040
bit of just kind of, you know,
little like you're just a little

843
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:06,080
too much, you know, and, and the
thing about kratom is you don't

844
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,600
want to ever take too much
because you can't like you just

845
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,760
do a little and just go.
That's why we would say go low

846
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,880
and slow when you're first
starting, because if you take

847
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,360
too much, either going to get
the wobbles where you just feel,

848
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:23,320
you know, just a little too much
of it might be a little shaky.

849
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,760
Just depends on what you took
and how your body reacts.

850
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:30,520
But if you take a whole lot,
you'll throw up, you know, And

851
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:35,560
so it has that built in
mechanism so that you don't die

852
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,320
from it.
You're not going to OD from it

853
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,760
like a narcotic.
You know, you take narcotics,

854
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:43,960
you take too much, you OD, you
stop breathing and you die.

855
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,360
And kratom.
Kratom does not cause you to

856
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,160
stop breathing.
Exactly.

857
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,120
That's good.
I got a little bit scared when I

858
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:51,880
started the wobbles.
I thought, Oh no, here comes a

859
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:53,480
seizure.
And I mean, not that I but see

860
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:57,240
the fact that I could get scared
with the way seizures happen.

861
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,960
And I think I probably said this
before, so if there's a repeat,

862
00:41:59,960 --> 00:42:02,640
but the way seizures happen,
they're tonic clonics, you're

863
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,720
going unconscious.
You know, when people say, well,

864
00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:06,840
did you know you had a seizure?
No, because I was unconscious.

865
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,880
But I mean, the best way I can
explain it is, it's, if you

866
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:13,280
think, uh oh, you say, uh, and
then by the time you get to, oh,

867
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,640
you're already unconscious.
Or I said, I shouldn't say you,

868
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:17,520
but I am.
So if I'm going to say, hey,

869
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,880
Madeline, and I'm trying to say,
uh oh, oh, I'm already, I'm

870
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,600
already gone.
So the fact that I felt scared,

871
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,680
I could feel scared.
I wasn't unconscious.

872
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,760
So that's how I knew it wasn't a
seizures.

873
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,080
The fact that I was able to
actually feel like, oh, I'm I'm

874
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,120
feeling scared.
Oh wow, okay, hey, I'm still

875
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,560
conscious.
That means it's not a seizure.

876
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:40,320
And I thought this is good.
This is not this is good, but

877
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,080
this is good that it's not a
seizure.

878
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,400
But I mean, it did.
Originally I thought, Oh no,

879
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,960
please let this not be a seizure
because that means I can't take

880
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,960
kratom anymore because it means
seizure.

881
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,240
And then I just realized, no,
I'm just kind of shaking a

882
00:42:55,240 --> 00:42:57,080
little bit, but I'm not going
into a seizure.

883
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,400
I just laid down and the time
factor and then I was fine.

884
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,080
Yeah, the few times I've had the
wobbles, yeah, you just

885
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:04,640
basically lay down for a little
bit.

886
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:08,200
Usually passes within a few
hours and then you just learn

887
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,920
like, OK, this one's a little
too much, maybe I need to take

888
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,640
less of it.
It just allows you to really pay

889
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,760
close attention to what you're
consuming, how you're doing it.

890
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:21,480
You told me recently you
traveled to a location where

891
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:25,400
kratom is actually banned and
listed as a schedule one

892
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,080
narcotic, even though we know
it's not narcotic.

893
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:32,080
Tell us a little bit about that.
What is it like to travel to a

894
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,560
location where you know it's
banned?

895
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,640
Well, I was all excited because
we don't go on very May trips.

896
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,800
It used to be my husband always
had like really restrictive work

897
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,120
schedules and he happened to
have this chance to go on a trip

898
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,000
and I was all excited.
So I was, you know, packing up

899
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,480
and everything.
And then it occurred to me that

900
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,080
it's this place where kratom was
banned.

901
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,440
And it's like, of all the
places, I mean, we already had

902
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,200
everything all set.
It's not like you can undo all

903
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,880
the plans and have all the
places to go.

904
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:03,840
We had to pick one where kratom
was banned, but I wasn't going

905
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:05,960
to go without the Kratoms.
I thought, how do you do this?

906
00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:08,240
How do you drive?
And it was we were driving there

907
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,320
because I have no idea.
I didn't have it planned as far

908
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,040
as how we would do the an
airline.

909
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:18,200
So what we did is I had I just
purchased some little Baggies

910
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:22,320
for another trip to put my daily
like vitamins and stuff.

911
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,640
I had my daily vitamins normally
in a pill box and I thought,

912
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:29,240
well, rather than oh, I should
back up, we purchased a Jaguar

913
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,840
and black beauty Jag is what we
call her.

914
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:36,720
So anyway, we had black beauty.
It's a 2 seater has no backseat.

915
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,680
Little tiny.
Bless her heart, she can't you

916
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,920
can't pack hardly anything in
black beauty Jags.

917
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:47,360
So I can't pick, you know, these
pill boxes and like, how do we

918
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,960
just downsize everything?
So that's why I was putting my,

919
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,360
my little pills and my little
everything with vitamins into

920
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,280
these little tiny bags.
So I had that going and I

921
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:57,840
thought, well, wait a minute,
I've got these little bags.

922
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:01,160
Why don't I put the kratom
tablets into the little tiny

923
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,520
bags?
So now I've got all these bags

924
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,240
and my, all of my doses.
So I, I counted out exactly how

925
00:45:06,240 --> 00:45:08,000
many tablets I would take for
each dose.

926
00:45:08,240 --> 00:45:10,880
So I thought when I do take
them, I don't want to be sitting

927
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,320
there counting out the tablets
in a restaurant and have people

928
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:15,520
looking and it's like, what is
that?

929
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,440
Because if it is any other
tablet, they're going to think,

930
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,560
why are you taking, you know, 25
pills?

931
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:23,280
So what are you doing?
So I want to be able to down it

932
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:24,800
right away.
So I had them all counted out

933
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:26,720
and had them in little Baggies.
It's like, well, now what do you

934
00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:29,400
do it?
So we emptied out the ibuprofen

935
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,520
out of I shouldn't be.
So they go looking.

936
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:36,680
So I put all ibuprofen in
another Ziploc bag and I just

937
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:38,320
left that at home.
I thought I told my husband, I

938
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,000
said if you need ibuprofen,
we're just have to go into, you

939
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,600
know, corner store or something
and just go buy some ibuprofen.

940
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,800
And I stuck all the little
Baggies of kratom tablets into

941
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:50,560
the ibuprofen.
So now we've got this big

942
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:54,360
ibuprofen and we stuck it in
like the little armrest thing in

943
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:58,320
the Jag and the whole trip it's
like we had to always

944
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,240
consciously think, where is the
ibuprofen?

945
00:46:01,240 --> 00:46:03,840
Oh, that's the other thing.
Made sure we never referenced

946
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:05,960
kratom.
It was like, oh honey, did you

947
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:09,120
get my ibuprofen out?
So if anyone heard us and it's

948
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,920
like, oh, I think I forgot my
ibuprofen in the Jag.

949
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,880
Could you go get the ibuprofen?
It's like, Oh yeah, I forgot

950
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:16,360
that.
So he's going out out there

951
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,800
because I kept thinking, what if
they find the ibuprofen in the

952
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,240
Jag?
That means now they've got to

953
00:46:21,240 --> 00:46:24,720
take the Jag because the Jag had
ibuprofen in it.

954
00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:28,760
So now we lose our car too,
because it's got, it's got this,

955
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,160
the drug in the Jag.
So it's like then it's in the

956
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:34,920
hotel.
I even got so scared that when I

957
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:38,360
would take the kratom, I
thought, well, what about the

958
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,160
little baggie?
Do I leave this in the hotel

959
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:44,400
room in the garbage can?
What if they find the garbage

960
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:45,960
can?
So I'm putting the little

961
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,280
Baggies in my makeup bag to take
back home to dispose of my

962
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,840
husband's like, OK, Deb, you got
to breathe.

963
00:46:52,240 --> 00:46:56,280
They're not sending drugs,
kratom, drug sniffing dogs up to

964
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,760
check the garbage to see what
was in the little baggie that

965
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:02,480
you stuck in the garbage can.
He's like, you can throw away

966
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,160
the little Baggies.
Don't worry about it.

967
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,400
So he's like, I don't think, I
don't think you're in that much

968
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,680
danger.
We'll just keep track of the

969
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,920
ibuprofen and you're fine.
I.

970
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:17,000
Just kept thinking if they catch
me I'm just going to prison and

971
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:22,960
that's it, I'm done.
That is crazy that in places

972
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:27,480
where it is banned, not just the
band, the sale, but like they're

973
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:31,040
like where you went and other
parts of the US, not very many

974
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,280
of them, thank God, but were
they treated as schedule one

975
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:38,760
where is a felony if you're
caught with it and could go to

976
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:42,680
prison?
They're not actively looking for

977
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:47,680
people with kratom.
So I think you know, but still

978
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,800
is that mindset it puts you in
knowing you're going somewhere

979
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:55,560
where that's how is treated.
So, oh, that's what Michael kept

980
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:56,960
saying.
And I I knew that where it's

981
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:00,640
like, it's not like they're
actively hunting this down and

982
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,440
trying to remember our rights.
Where it's like, you know,

983
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:04,840
someone says, can we search your
car?

984
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,360
No, and you know, I've always
been one of these cooperative

985
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,800
people where if a police officer
asked for something, it's like I

986
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,040
just very cooperative, but you
know, thinking it through

987
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,520
methodically saying do you have
a search?

988
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,600
You know, in my mind, do you
have a search warrant?

989
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,360
Is there it's like no, you
cannot search our car.

990
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:25,560
So I was we always made sure the
quote UN quote ibuprofen was in

991
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,520
the the little it's like a glove
box, but it was between the

992
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:30,440
armrest thing between the the
seats.

993
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,600
It's like, Oh yeah.
So now don't stop me.

994
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:37,080
Police officers are looking at
but but I mean, making sure that

995
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,280
that we're not just making it
available that you actually

996
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,720
stick to your rights.
And they to think through that

997
00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:46,040
as far as the legalities of
that, that you don't have to

998
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:47,440
just.
And I was thinking about what

999
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,480
was what was her name?
And was it Alabama, the gal that

1000
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,960
crossed over from Yeah.
So that was.

1001
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:58,520
That was Shana Brown, who bought
it in Florida, where it is legal

1002
00:48:58,720 --> 00:49:01,520
and crossed an imaginary state
line in Alabama.

1003
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:04,600
And Alabama is one of the states
where it is banned.

1004
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:09,320
And so she gets caught with it
at some traffic stop or

1005
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,000
something.
I forgot what it was, a

1006
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,800
checkpoint stop I think it was.
And they searched her car and

1007
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:17,200
they found that she had kratom.
They threw her in jail and she

1008
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,160
was in jail for about 8 or nine
months.

1009
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:24,240
We raised enough money through
all of us advocates on social

1010
00:49:24,240 --> 00:49:28,200
media, and we bailed her out.
She's still facing this

1011
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:29,960
positive.
You know, right now it's just

1012
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,040
nothing's really happening.
But she's been out on on bond

1013
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,240
for almost a year now and is
still up in the air.

1014
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:40,480
But you know, she's facing 10
years to life with this.

1015
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:46,200
Oh no, that's crazy.
A plant, a powder that saved her

1016
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,200
with her addiction.
That's crazy.

1017
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,480
I was for harm reduction and
it's just terrible.

1018
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,440
See, I was thinking about her
that's and that's the whole

1019
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,680
thing where I was like, what can
I do different so that I don't

1020
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:02,480
end up in that same situation?
And that I didn't mean to say

1021
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,800
that as if I'm putting anything
that even in the remotest sounds

1022
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:09,000
like I'm putting blame.
I'm I'm not Shayna because no, I

1023
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,520
want to come rescue you.
I mean, that's not, not anything

1024
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,680
in her direction, but it's like,
how can is there anything that

1025
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:20,360
we can do ourselves to not get
in that situation?

1026
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:23,560
Not that any of it's their own
fault, but to prevent something

1027
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,760
like that if we have to cross
state lines as far as creative.

1028
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,760
And I keep wondering, it's like,
why did they search your car?

1029
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,440
Did they even have any right to
do that?

1030
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,280
Or did they just take right to
do that when it wasn't their

1031
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,840
right to search your car?
You know, because I can't see

1032
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:40,080
how how you just pull someone
over and ask for their driver's

1033
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,560
license and then all of a sudden
you have the right to search the

1034
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:43,840
car.
Yeah.

1035
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,440
And as far as advice to people,
it's like if there's any

1036
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,040
question you're close to a
border, make sure it's in your

1037
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:53,040
trunk or it's somewhere where
it's not seen, even if it isn't

1038
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:57,480
an ibuprofen container.
Yeah, it's sad that, you know,

1039
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,720
there's been these cases of
people caught with it in a place

1040
00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:03,280
where it's banned.
A lot of people travel around

1041
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,560
the country, truck drivers and
stuff, or they don't even

1042
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:09,200
realize it's banned in certain
places and they're they've got

1043
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,920
kratom with them.
And so they'll usually hear

1044
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,920
about it from us advocates
talking about it.

1045
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,840
So I just like advocating and
just getting the word out

1046
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,600
because I know it helps people.
Just like when I mentioned it,

1047
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,520
you heard me talk about it and
it just makes me so happy that

1048
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,000
this plant has helped you so
much.

1049
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,640
Are you doing any kind of
advocacy?

1050
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:30,760
Are you just doing like some
word of mouth and letting people

1051
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:32,800
know about how kratom is helping
you or what?

1052
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,520
What all have you been doing?
I'd like to get more involved.

1053
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,720
I'd actually like to spend more
time volunteering.

1054
00:51:37,720 --> 00:51:40,800
So I, I looked up like, AKA I
don't not sure how to get in

1055
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:42,600
touch with them.
So if they happen to hear this,

1056
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:46,320
hey, I'm, I'm here and I, I want
to help out and God willing, if

1057
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,640
there's anything in Washington,
DC, I mean, it doesn't even have

1058
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:52,120
to go that far, but I'm, I'm
willing to go tell my story, go

1059
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,840
do anything because I think more
and more people when I'm reading

1060
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,600
these stories of and I don't
want to pick on people

1061
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,640
specifically.
So not saying names, but deaths

1062
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:05,360
that are attributed to kratom.
And we could talk for hours just

1063
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,760
on that topic alone.
But I mean, I understand when

1064
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:11,520
people lose loved ones and
they're terribly sad, but it it

1065
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:15,840
really aggravates me that people
are weaponizing that situation

1066
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,480
and turning against kratom.
And then people who are ignorant

1067
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,560
of the whole situation, like you
said last time we talked as far

1068
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:25,200
as the misinformation that's out
there and that that means that

1069
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,640
other people are not allowed to
take kratom or like I was

1070
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:31,640
telling my husband last night
after watching the AK.

1071
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,160
Now I just discovered the AK has
these webinars.

1072
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:37,560
I love them and I'm like, I'm
like, and the at the kratom gals

1073
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:39,760
and the two guys, Oh my
goodness.

1074
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:43,200
Okay, so I'm so excited and go
tune in all and you have to

1075
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,240
definitely put links to that the
show.

1076
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,560
But that's tell my husband would
be like, for instance, if

1077
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:52,240
somebody is allergic to peanuts
and maybe they don't know and

1078
00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:54,440
they eat peanuts and for
whatever, you know, they they

1079
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:58,280
die from the allergy, But then
the parent is going out there

1080
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,800
saying we now have to ban
peanuts forever.

1081
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:06,520
And that means and by the way, I
actually for my epilepsy, I take

1082
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:09,280
peanuts like I eat peanut butter
and that will stop.

1083
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,080
I know the doctors think I'm
crazy, but it actually works.

1084
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,360
So I'm sorry, neurologist, it is
true.

1085
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:17,440
But if I feel a seizure coming
on, I can eat peanut butter and

1086
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,640
stop a seizure.
Crazy as it is, it, it may not

1087
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,280
work 100% of the time, but I
actually can slow down and I can

1088
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,440
stop a seizure that's coming out
on peanut butter.

1089
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,560
So now because somebody died
because I have a peanut allergy

1090
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,240
and didn't know what they died
and their mother and father are

1091
00:53:31,240 --> 00:53:34,920
upset, so they go on a whole
campaign and they ban peanuts

1092
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,360
across the United States that
nobody can eat peanuts.

1093
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,840
That means that I as an
epileptic, I'm not allowed to

1094
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:43,560
use peanuts to stop my seizure.
That scenario is about as crazy

1095
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:44,720
as what they're doing with
kratom.

1096
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,760
Yeah, they're weaponizing their
grief.

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You got these attorneys trying
to capitalize on this.

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And you know, we go through so
much of this in the community

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where misinformation,
propaganda, weaponizing the

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grief, doing all these things,
they're just so hell bent on

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getting this plant to the point
where they want it banned for

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everyone.
Even though this there are

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millions of people in the US
that use this and it helps them.

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And what they do?
What's the other option to go

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dive overdose of oxy?
Right, exactly.

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It's like they don't even care.
I know I I feel like we can have

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a whole episode talking about
that, but this has been such a

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great discussion with you,
Deborah, because I mean, it's

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great revisiting from where we
were almost a year ago.

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I mean, like I literally sat
down with you, I think it was

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about 10 months ago and you had
just started and it was so cool

1112
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hearing your early beginnings
with kratom and now coming back

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all this time later to see like
where you at now, how how this

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is doing for you.
And I imagine you have a lot

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more you can share.
So my last question is like

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knowing all the stuff you know
now and you definitely know a

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lot more, what advice would you
give someone who's just starting

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out in their journey?
Well, what's right on my mind

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right now, because we're just
talking about the whole banning

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and all that is make sure that
you, well, you know what?

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Here's some advice.
Hook up with Madeline and her

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00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,560
group and shave the links
because you need to stay

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informed as far as like, for
instance, where kratom is

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allowed and not allowed.
Because I think that if you're

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00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:25,160
planning a trip, definitely know
where you're going or where

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you're crossing borders and
things like that.

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As far as where it's legal or
it's not legal, doesn't mean

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that you can't take a kratom
with you, but it would be

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helpful to know how to deal with
kratom so that you don't get

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sucked into one of these things
like Shana Brown.

1131
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:42,120
That's just something that's
like on my mind because it was

1132
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just within what was that the
last two weeks.

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And I would just hate to see
anybody else get in that same

1134
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situation as Shana.
But don't let that stop you

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00:55:49,240 --> 00:55:52,320
taking the kratom because to me,
kratom definitely helps you

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00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:56,320
balance your life and helps to
give you life as far as me able

1137
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:59,560
to be, as I called it, normal
person for lack of any other

1138
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words, it definitely is a
lifesaver and it's certainly

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gave me my life back.
So thank you, Mad.

1140
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Thank you so much, Deb.
This has been a great time

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catching up.
So thank you for spending time

1142
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with us today.
Thank you.

1143
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Thank you for having me.
Thank you for listening.

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