Ep 62: Breaking Free from Pain: Hailey Reville and the Power of Kratom

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There was a week where I wasn't
able to get my pain medication,

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I think it was roughly like 5
days, and I had no other option

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but to 100% lean on kratom.
So this time I shook it up in

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the bottle and I tried to
measure it out more carefully

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and I would say that's when I
found what really worked.

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And it was almost like the
heaven gates opened up and

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started singing.
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So I'm here with Haley, somebody
I just met on TikTok.

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Like literally last week, a
video popped up of her making

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her swamp water kratom and
drinking it on TikTok before we

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thought we would lose TikTok
forever.

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Thank God for hidden, although
it could still go away,

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hopefully it won't.
So Haley, thank you so much for

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joining the podcast.
I cannot wait to hear your

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story.
But hey anybody that makes a

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video of their swamp water
kratom and drinking it on TikTok

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I got to talk to so.
Yeah, I'm super happy here.

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Thank you for inviting me.
And I'm super eager to kind of

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share everything, so I
appreciate it.

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Awesome.
Well, let's start with you

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talking a little bit us, a
little bit about yourself and

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life before Kratom.
OK, sure.

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So I am younger in the pain
community, I would say was

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diagnosed about 20, age 27 with
multiple chronic illnesses,

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illnesses such as like
autoimmune.

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And I have about three of those
ongoing.

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And with those, you know,
there's elements and and chronic

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conditions that those cause.
And so as a young mom, I have a

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biological son of my own.
He's now 7, almost 8:00.

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And then I have two step kids
that are 11 and 6.

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And I'm very fortunate for them
to all be kind of, you know,

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similar in in age.
But, yeah, you know, as all of

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those things were kind of coming
together, my life was crashing

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on one side and then on the
other side coming together.

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And I worked really hard.
I was actually in the medical

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field, started at about age 15,
was fortunate to kind of get in

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early.
And I worked really, really

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hard.
I did go to school for an

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associate's degree and then just
kind of climbed the ladder from

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there.
And I found my dream job in

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plastic surgery, loved it, and I
was super happy to be there.

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But then my health kind of came
crashing down and it just seems

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like Western medicine was kind
of failing me.

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So that's when I really had to
kind of take matters into my own

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hands, and that's kind of what
started me on and LED me on the

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path I'm currently on.
Awesome.

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So were you coming from pain
management?

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Were you like being treated for
pain or like what would happen

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before kratom?
So I actually had a fantastic

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independent practitioner who
doesn't actually accept

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insurance and more faith-based
loved him and he was one of the

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only doctors that initially
listened to me.

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It's kind of weird, but for me,
my health actually started with

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my bladder.
So I just felt like I was always

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having issues with going to the
restroom and not being able to

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really have a life that didn't
manage around always having the

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urge to urinate.
And so I went to doctor and

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doctor and doctor, and they just
kept telling me the same thing.

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Oh, you're too young, your
things are normal, your labs are

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normal.
We can't find anything.

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So I finally found this
physician and he sat down,

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listened to me and told me that
I actually had a bladder

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neurological condition, which is
intersystal cystitis that I

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would have to be living with for
the rest of my life.

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And I was already at the point
where I mean, it was driving me

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almost suicidally crazy.
Now I use that in the term that

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I'll obviously I didn't want to
do that kind of harm to myself,

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but it was just, I was so
bearable with how it was causing

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me to feel.
So he did prescribe me tramadol,

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which is a very minimal, you
know, pain medication.

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And then it just kind of seemed
like all these other health

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conditions started.
Then I was diagnosed with

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rheumatoid arthritis.
I do have fibromyalgia, chronic

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Epstein Barr.
And as you can imagine, it was

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just chronically attacking
systemically everywhere.

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And I was taking tramadol for
approximately a year before it

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just seems like it wasn't
managing hardly anything at the

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anymore.
So then I was referred by a

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rheumatologist to a pain
management physician.

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And when you go into the
specialty appointments and

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anytime you mention tramadol or
a pain medication, they all just

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kind of freeze almost as if
you're doing something wrong.

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And so it was almost like, oh, I
don't really want to do anything

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with that.
Let me just send you somewhere

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else to help your pain.
And so when I did visit pain

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management provider, he said,
yeah, I think this is something

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absolutely that we need to try
to control because what matters

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is quality of life.
And so we did, that's what we

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did.
And I did that for about 3 years

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and then it just, it no longer
helped.

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So that's kind of where I had to
make a decision what was going

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to be most important.
Yeah, it sounded like those

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other doctors just thought you
were drug seeking, right?

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Just yeah from how they're
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And it's weird because I never
mentioned that, but you know,

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when you're filling out your
health intake form and they ask

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you all these medications you're
taking, they never, you know,

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with antidepressants or with any
other medication that you have

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to take long term, they never
gasp.

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It's never really a question per
SE, but when you, I mean

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tramadol is so minimal compared
to the spectrum of pain

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medications.
And so anytime they would see

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that it's almost they would just
be like, well, why are you on

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that?
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there was no need for it.
And I'm like, listen buddy, I

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could sit here and talk about an
hour for the reasoning as to why

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that is what I am taking.
But luckily, I did have that

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Doctor Who took the time to
listen because a lot of, you

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know, providers not to not to
negatively put them in the

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light, but they just don't have
time to sit there and go over

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everything with you and your
appointment.

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So they're just looking at, you
know, the key factors.

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And anytime it was tramadol, it
was just like, oh, well, you

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know, I'm not going to be able
to treat that aspect of your

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pain, right?
And I said, yeah, that's not

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what I'm here.
I want to treat the underlying

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root of that.
So yeah, it is unfortunate, but

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they almost treat, they almost
like group anyone who's taking

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those form of medications
together and they group you into

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this like almost drug seeking
clientele.

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And that's absolutely not true
for a lot of us, actually so.

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Right, right.
And it's not like we asked to be

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in pain or have these these
medical issues, but many times

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these medications can help.
And yeah, man, I'm so sorry

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you've had to go through that.
So you did three years of pain

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management and then you said the
meds just really weren't working

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anymore?
Right, so I had a conversation

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with my specialist and the
original physician who I still

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love and is near and dear to me.
But yeah, so I had a

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conversation with them and I
said, look, you know, I just

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feel like I'm just having so
much pain to say that these meds

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are working.
And if I, it just feels

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counterintuitive that I'm taking
something to help with my pain,

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but my pain isn't being managed.
And I told them, honestly, I

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don't really want to continue
taking a higher and higher dose

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of something because I was
already very familiar with.

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You get to the end of the road
before you can't take anything

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anymore.
That's it.

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And as a young person, I did not
want to, in 10 years or 15

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years, be at the end of the rope
where it was like, well, that's

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all there is on the planet, you
know, for you to try.

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So yeah, I just had a
conversation with them and they

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said, well, you know, why don't
you just kind of mark in a diary

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when you're having pain?
And, you know, we had a lengthy

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discussion about that.
And so it really wasn't a plan

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of action, right?
Of hey, let's see where we can

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go from here.
My pain management physician was

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just, you know, talking about
surgery and, you know, a

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morphine pump and things like
that.

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And I was like, listen, that
seems a little far fetched.

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And then my primary physician
was, you know, his hands are

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tied with all of the DEA
restrictions and, and all of

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those things.
And so I, I respected that.

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So honestly, I was just like,
you know, I, I'm going to quit

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taking the medication.
I'm just going to stop taking

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it.
And when I did that, that's when

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I really felt the whole
withdrawal, you know, things

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that you always hear pain
patients talk about.

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And man, was that torture.
That was absolute torture.

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And I had really no choice as an
active mom.

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It's not like I could be in bed
going through the withdrawals.

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It's not like I could, you know,
just check out and say, see you

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later guys, I'm leaving and you
know, and deal with it that way.

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So I just said, you know, if, if
at least I take the medication,

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I, I can function even though I
don't feel as great, I might as

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well just stay on the
medication.

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And I did that for about another
six months.

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And it just felt like I was on
this constant merry go round of

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getting my pain medication,
taking my pain medication, still

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being in pain all the time and
then coming toward the end of

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the month.
And it's just like God, you are.

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You may be faced with a few days
before you get your refill or if

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the doctor isn't in to give you
a refill or now we're facing

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pharmacies that don't have the
in stock amount to fill

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prescriptions.
And so there was a couple of

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times where I was going to be
out of medication for I would

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say 3 days or five days.
And I just said, you know, this,

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I just can't live like this
anymore.

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So yeah, that's kind of how that
transpired.

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And it was looking back, it's
just kind of like, wow.

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And I will say, I think we need
to do better as a society to,

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you know, it's for pain
patients, very sad because for

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people like us who have taken
pain medication, if we want to

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stop, a lot of physicians don't
have the time or the compassion

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to help us get off of those
medications.

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They just don't want to deal
with it.

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And so as a person, it seems
like you look, the only options

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you have are a rehab center or
to do it yourself.

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And I think that is just where
we go very wrong because we're

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left to self treat.
We're left to figure it out on

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our own.
And I'm not an addict that needs

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to be in a detox center.
I just don't want to take this

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medication that's no longer
working for me.

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And I don't have help to get off
of that.

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So yeah, I would say for sure.
That's like a scary thing to go

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through.
You know, that's what happened

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to me.
I was in pain management for

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nine years, and doctors are
scared to prescribe now.

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So one day I get a form letter
in the mail saying we're no

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longer prescribing.
Here's a list of other doctors.

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over because I was being

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prescribed, you know, high
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And apparently, my body
processes them quickly, and it's

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what I need for my debilitating
pain in my neck and back.

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offer to taper me down, which is

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what they're supposed to do,
right?

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And I thought, oh, no big deal,
I'll find another doctor.

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I live in a big city.
No big deal.

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Could not find one doctor to
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They're all so scared now.
And this was five years ago.

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This was a while back.
So somebody said, look, go back

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to your primary, your pain
management doctor and demand

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they at least put you on the
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Like that's their job.
They can't just leave you high

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and dry, especially after nine
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So I did that and I felt like I
was begging.

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And it's like just like with
you, it's like, do I have to

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like as a non addict, go to a
rehab center where you know, I'm

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not, I'm physically dependent,
anybody would be.

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But I have no emotional
attachment to these pills.

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I just need it for pain relief.
That's all.

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I need something else, but I
don't know what else at the time

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before kratom and it was a very
scary time to go through that.

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And you're so right, these
doctors ain't it.

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They just don't care.
There's no compassion.

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They just don't want to be
bothered.

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I really felt like I was
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Yes, absolutely.
Me too.

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Just so wrong and sad that no
other doctors had the compassion

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to take over and try to help me
and thank God that I found

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kratom is like Oh my gosh
amazing.

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So is this when you discovered
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Still something else going on
before that No actually I

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discovered kratom really through
you guys on TikTok.

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So I follow like Claudia Morandi
and the whole pain community.

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And I heard, you know, video
started popping up of kratom.

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Now I have, you know, I live in
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So you drive through and you see
storefronts and they have all of

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these neon signs with like CBD,
kratom and all of these things.

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So I had, I had seen it many
times, but never knew anyone

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that had personally had a
personal experience or, or

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anything like that.
So yeah, video started popping

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up and I started hearing Misty
and actually you talk about it

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and I was like, wow, this is so
up my alley.

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Like, this is exactly what I
feel like I need.

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And I've started doing a lot of
diving into what it is and how

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it works in her videos, your
videos.

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Then more and more kept popping
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And so I was very intrigued.
But then of course, you know, go

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to Google and it was just like,
wow, it was night and day.

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They made it seem so scary and
just like it was so evil and I

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was just like, that is crazy
because it's like all I hear and

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see is nothing but good things.
But yeah, then I Google is

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making it seem like it's worse
than opioids itself and it's

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just like, that's wild.
So because I was just so I was

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just so desperate for getting
out of the situation and

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treating my pain so I could have
the will to live.

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I mean, Madeline, I got to a
point where I didn't want to

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die, but I just did not want to
live where and how I was.

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It just was almost like, Jesus,
I feel very guilty for saying

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this, but like, I don't want to
wake up in the morning.

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And nobody should feel like
that.

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Nobody should have to face that.
And so, yeah, it was hard

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because I would look at at my
kids and I was just like, how

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how could I feel like that?
And I felt very guilty for

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feeling that way.
So I just got so fed up with the

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whole process of everything and,
and hurting.

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And I said I have really nothing
much to lose at this point.

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So my husband was actually just
about to get off work.

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He knew that I had been dealing
with all of these things and he

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felt helpless that he couldn't
do more.

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So I called him and I said, hey,
on your way to work, I really

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need you to pick me up some
powdered kratom.

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And I sent him just some very
basic information.

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I knew.
And he said, OK, say less.

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And so he picked it up and he
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And when I seen the little
packet of powdered kratom, my

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heart dropped.
But it was also like, oh, this

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could really be it.
Like this could be my New Hope.

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And so, yeah, I didn't really
know, like, how I should take

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it.
And I think a lot of kratom

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users, you hear over and over
again, you don't really know

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where to start.
And that's OK because that is

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how you find what you want, what
you like.

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And I just kind of, I think I
went back to one of Misty's

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videos and I tried stirring it I
think the first time and that

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did not work very well, by the
way.

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So I was just like, you know
what?

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Oh well, and I just like drank
it now.

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The first time it did not work
as I hoped and I felt a little

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disappointed, but I was just so
adamant to get off of the ups

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and downs of trying to go
through pharmaceuticals to

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manage my pain that I for a
little bit I contemplated which

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do I keep trying?
But also, I don't know if I'm

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sure you've had the experience
where it's just kind of like

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during the day, this wave of
achiness and unbearable pain

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just kind of start to take over
your movements.

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And I just felt that coming on.
But I had just dosed my kratom

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and I was just like, well, do I
try again or do I take my pain

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medication?
I was apprehensive and I just

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ended up trying to, I guess, use
kratom more as a crutch, I would

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say at that point, because I
just wasn't too sure about how

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to do it, if I was doing it
right.

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And my fear was taking too much.
And, you know, I didn't know

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what the effect would be if I
took too much.

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And so I just played it safe,
went to my pain medication.

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And then, yeah, it was going to
be, I would say maybe a month

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later, there was a week where I
wasn't able to get my pain

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medication.
I think it was roughly like five

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days and I had no other option
but to 100% lean on kratom.

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So this time I shook it up in
the bottle and I tried to

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measure it out more carefully.
And I would say I that's when I

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found what really worked.
And it was almost like the

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heaven gates opened up and
started singing and it was just

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this weight kind of lift it off
of you for sure.

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That is awesome.
Yeah.

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You know, it can take trial and
error.

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That's the thing that gets a
little frustrating with kratom.

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It affects everybody
differently.

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So not only is it figuring out
which kind of kratom, first of

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all, you want a good brand
that's, you know, that lab tests

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their kratom so you know what
you're getting and that it is

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what it is, what it says it is
on the packaging.

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And that is not mediocre.
There's actually good quality

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kratom.
And then you got to figure out

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which color works best for you.
You know, the red, the green in

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the white, and then what is the
right dose?

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There's so many variables with
it.

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It definitely took me a quite a
bit of trial and error to figure

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it out in the beginning as well.
But wow, what a situation you

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were in where you felt like, OK,
I got to just make this work

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because I don't have access to
the meds and you figured it out.

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I love that.
That is awesome.

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Yeah, and you know, I'm happy it
worked that way.

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In the moment, I was not so
happy.

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But looking back on it, I am so
glad that God gave me that push

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to like, no.
And he, it was just almost like

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meant to be.
And I would not have changed it

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any other way.
I'm glad that it happened that

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way.
So if anyone is listening and

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they're very hesitant or maybe
you're going to have a very

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similar situation, you can 110%
lean on kratom and.

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Don't be scared to do it because
from myself, from Madeline, and

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thousands of other people who
have had very similar

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experiences, the end result is
almost this.

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Always the same.
And that is that kratom does

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work and has taken and replaced
the pharmaceuticals that we once

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took.
Yeah.

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So when you took it that time
and it actually worked, what was

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it that you felt?
What did you like?

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Just have this feeling of like
wow my pain subsided like how

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did it feel?
Yeah, it was.

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It just was almost like when,
Yeah, almost kind of like when

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you take the pain medication and
you don't have the pain.

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But it does not.
I mean, if you're looking or if

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you're a person who's looking
for some euphoric effect and

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like you just start feeling this
rush of glorious energy and

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things like that, that you might
be disappointed.

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Because for me, it's never been
that way.

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For me, kratom has always just
taken off the cement blocks of

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what pain did to me and my body.
It was just like, you know,

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almost like your feet are stuck
in the mud and you're just

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trying to move, but your feet
are just so weighted down.

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Kratom is almost like the rain
kind of washes out the mud and

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then you're able to move your
feet and get back on the tracks

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again and go where you were
going.

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That's kind of what kratom felt
like for me.

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It wasn't, you know, you hear
some of these things that are so

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crazy and far fetched, by the
way, like, let's be honest,

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there's no this crazy euphoria
and this feeling that, you know,

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you just get this high or such
from and it's just so wild that

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people even begin to go there.
It's never been like that for

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me.
So yeah, it's I even think, I

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mean, I may be the only one that
feels this way, but I think that

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kratom would even be safer than
like THC or can avoids in that

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department.
Because I know for me, I've had

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instances where I tried to
dabble into more of the THC or I

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forgot some of the other names
that they have now.

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But and you kind of get panicky
because you start to feel like

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that head change and that's so
not for me.

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I don't like that.
I don't like that feeling.

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I don't like the control that is
not mine or my own.

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So yeah, Kratom is so easy when
it comes to that because it's of

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what you no longer feel, the
pain, the anxiety, the

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discomfort, the depression,
things like that versus what you

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are expecting to feel.
That's perfectly sad.

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It's so true.
Like with Kratom, I'm just like,

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like I'll just be like doing
something go wow, my pain went

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away.
Like I like it to me is so

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subtle.
It's not like with the pain pill

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I was like, bam, all of a sudden
now you feel some pain relief

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and it wasn't always great.
Like I would get some relief

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with pain meds, but not like
drastic.

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But with kratom it's like, wait
a minute, my back was killing me

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10 minutes ago.
I took my little swamp water

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kratom and like, wow, I feel so
much better.

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But it was, it just like
happened, like I could be doing

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something for half an hour and
be like, wow, I, I really feel

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back to normal.
Like I'm not hurting and I feel

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great, but I don't feel high.
I don't feel, I'm not feeling

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like there's not something there
telling me.

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Oh, by the way, your medication
just kicked in.

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Yes.
I love that about this plant.

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It's so.
Different.

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Me too.
Me too.

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And it's reliable.
And with other forms of, I would

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say like plant medicine or
therapeutic relief, you know,

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you have to kind of plan that
carefully because you could be

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needing to go out, you could be
needing to go to work.

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And you know, you would have to
be very cautious of how you

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ingest those things.
With kratom, it's safe to use

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whenever and however you're
going to be doing or doing

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things throughout your day.
I know as a mom of three, I need

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to be there for my kids at all
time of day.

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They should and can call me at
any time and say, hey, mom, I

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need you and I will be there.
And that is something that I

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love about kratom as well as
because I know that I can take

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kratom and I can be dependable
and I don't have to worry about,

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00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,840
Oh no, like I just took kratom.
I can't drive, which is yeah, so

444
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,040
not the case.
You can take kratom and, you

445
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:03,800
know, go run your errands as
usual.

446
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,920
So yeah, I love that it doesn't
hinder you or anything like that

447
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,560
from doing things that you, you
know, need to do.

448
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,800
Yeah.
So is kratom like totally worked

449
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:14,800
with all your pain issues you've
had?

450
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,600
Has it been really helpful with
that?

451
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:22,000
Yeah, absolutely.
Now it doesn't 100% take care of

452
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:26,280
my pain and I have just come to
the realization that that's just

453
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,120
probably going to be my new
normal.

454
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:32,640
But I am accepting of that and
I'm OK with that because I know

455
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,520
that at least I have kratom and
you know, it makes me

456
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,360
functional.
And right now that's the best

457
00:25:39,360 --> 00:25:42,760
and has been the best option for
me for the last two years.

458
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,640
Last year, I actually had a
kidney infection and my doctor

459
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,120
just said, hey, since it's the
weekend, I'm going to go ahead

460
00:25:49,120 --> 00:25:51,720
and send you in some Tramadol to
the pharmacy.

461
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,760
That way if you need it, it's
there.

462
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,360
If you don't need it, hey, Oh
well, don't take it.

463
00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:01,560
And so I remember picking it up
and I had taken one of the

464
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,760
Tramadol just to see if it would
take care of the pain in my back

465
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,320
because I was in bed.
I had to be in bed with the

466
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,560
kidney infection.
It was just so, so painful.

467
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,000
But it didn't do anything.
I mean, I would have rather

468
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,480
taken my kratom.
So now it's just like, even if

469
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,400
the option is there for pain
medication, you just don't even

470
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:24,600
care to have it because you have
an option that works and that is

471
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,120
reliable.
So yeah, it's kind of crazy

472
00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:29,480
because you would have asked me
that five years ago.

473
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,120
I would have been like, oh,
you're crazy.

474
00:26:31,120 --> 00:26:32,920
Like that's that is not going to
happen.

475
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,160
No way.
But now it's true.

476
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,680
And I'm glad that I was able to
find kratom for sure.

477
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,400
Yeah, it's amazing how many
people I've talked to that said

478
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:46,000
the same thing, like had an
opportunity to get a script for,

479
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,960
you know, some issue they've had
and the doctor writes it and

480
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,040
it's usually one of two things.
They just don't end up filling

481
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,400
it because they just feel like
their kratom helps or whatever

482
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:59,880
issue they're having, or they
fill it and try one or two and

483
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:01,600
go.
It's just not the same.

484
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,360
It's not working, you know, I'm
not getting the result.

485
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,880
And it's interesting too, that
some people get drastically

486
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,440
better pain relief with kratom
and some people get about the

487
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,240
same, maybe a little bit better
than their pain meds.

488
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,000
I think I might be a bit of an
exception.

489
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,960
Like my pain level goes
literally to a zero with my back

490
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,360
and neck with kratom, whereas
when I was in pain management

491
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,560
even with all the strong opiates
my pain level will still be A6

492
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,760
or A7 on a good day, never below
A6.

493
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,840
Which is always frustrating but
at least I've got some relief

494
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,840
taking taking the meds.
But with kratom, I have

495
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,400
degenerative disc disease in my
neck and back and it's very

496
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,960
severe and without some kind of
intervention, I can't function.

497
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,920
I can't do anything.
But with crate, I'm like, I can

498
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,520
sit at my desk for hours, I can
do things and I just don't feel

499
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,560
so hindered.
And I, I know not very many

500
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,760
people say they get such a super
low pain level at a zero or a

501
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,000
one or two.
Some people say a 345.

502
00:27:58,080 --> 00:27:59,640
You know, I, I've, I've heard it
all.

503
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,120
I feel bad.
I wish more people could get

504
00:28:02,120 --> 00:28:05,040
experience what I experience.
I get other pains, no doubt.

505
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,280
You know, at my age, I get all
kinds of other aches and pains.

506
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,760
Kratom doesn't always help, but
it helps my main pain.

507
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,720
Like if I didn't have something
to help my main pain, I'd be

508
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,840
miserable all the time.
So I can live with the other

509
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,000
aches and pains because they
come and go and they're not as

510
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,800
big of a deal.
But I wish more people could

511
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,960
experience what I experienced
because it is so amazing.

512
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:31,480
But overall people get great
results with and typically way

513
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,880
better than the pain medicine.
It sounds like it works way

514
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,480
better for you than the Tramadol
ever did.

515
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:42,720
Yeah, and I have been on kratom,
I mean, right close to two

516
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,040
years.
And you know, with pain

517
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:50,280
medication, you get to a point
because our bodies build up

518
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:55,200
tolerance to the medication.
Now it could be pain medication

519
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,600
and it could be other forms of
medication.

520
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:02,200
So it's not just opioids, but
your body builds up a defense

521
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:06,120
mechanism and and such.
So you get to a place where it

522
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,440
just doesn't work as well.
And my doctor talked to me and

523
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,440
he was like, you know, usually
when that happens, we switch you

524
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,200
to something else.
Then we kind of go back and

525
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,000
forth and that.
And I haven't had that with

526
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,360
kratom.
I haven't experienced that to

527
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,680
where you just wake up one
morning, you take your kratom

528
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,480
and it's like, wow, it didn't do
anything.

529
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,160
Like I've never had that
experience.

530
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,200
It's always done what it's
expected to do.

531
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:34,480
So yeah, I love that about
kratom and also just the other

532
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,160
aspects that come with it.
I will say like as someone who

533
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:42,360
has multiple symptoms daily,
everything from aches and pains

534
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:47,400
to just mobility, range of
motion, lack of sleep, being

535
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,440
able to get comfortable.
I have horrible like nerve pain,

536
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,160
restless legs.
I mean you name it, I probably

537
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,360
have had it.
And kratom has helped with the

538
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,640
spectrum of a lot of those
things.

539
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:03,160
I know you and I have heard a
lot of people talk about the

540
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:07,840
ADHD aspect of kratom and how it
helps them and their focus and

541
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,800
clarity and a lot of people with
depression and anxiety and

542
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,800
getting off of alcohol.
So it's just so wonderful that

543
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:21,560
there is a plant medicine that
is able to treat a lot of those

544
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,400
things.
So you could be like me and have

545
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,880
plethora of different things
that you have to endure every

546
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,760
day.
And yeah, kratom will work just

547
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,480
as well for you as treating
those things as it does for

548
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,120
someone who has degenerative
disc disease.

549
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,520
So yeah, I love that about
kratom.

550
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:44,960
It's not just a plant that is
only for this type of person,

551
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,280
you know?
So yeah, I, I respect that.

552
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,400
And I feel good about
recommending that to other

553
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:54,400
people because of that.
I would not feel as comfortable,

554
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:59,040
you know, recommending tramadol
or pain medication to somebody

555
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,160
because there's a variety of
different things that could

556
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,680
cause contraindications or
adverse effects for medication.

557
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:10,960
But with kratom, it's so much
easier to talk about and

558
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,520
recommend to someone who may be
in a in a similar situation.

559
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:15,400
So.
So yeah.

560
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,440
Yeah, Misty Brown and I, we
always refer to kratom as a

561
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,960
pharmacy in a plant because it
does so like what you were just

562
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,000
talking about.
It does so many things and help

563
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,240
so many people.
I'm always amazed when I'm

564
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,920
interviewing people for this
podcast and they'll say, yeah, I

565
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,640
use kratom for my chronic pain
or I use it for my recovery from

566
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,440
addiction.
But also I realized I don't need

567
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,520
my anxiety medication anymore or
my ADD medicine anymore.

568
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:42,400
It's like, wow, that's just so
amazing how many medications

569
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,880
people get off of with this one
plant.

570
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,360
It's mind blowing.
Yeah, it is.

571
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:53,640
And then when you see people
such as you and I who have had

572
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,520
these great experiences and, you
know, on TikTok, you see so many

573
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,320
comments.
This plant saved my life.

574
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:03,160
And this plant's amazing.
I mean, hundreds of comments of

575
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,920
how well this plant has worked
for so many people.

576
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:11,800
It's so wild that you hop on the
Internet and the Internet tells

577
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,880
you something completely
different.

578
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:19,400
And so if that is not proof that
that is controlled of to you

579
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,280
know, what you're able and the
information you're able to get,

580
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,200
then I don't know what proof
else you need because this plan

581
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,920
is truly causing so much benefit
to so many people.

582
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,160
And yeah, Google will tell you
something completely different.

583
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:36,760
So I would say if you're doing
research, don't just go with

584
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,480
what you're reading on the
Internet.

585
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,360
There are so many personal
stories and so many people too,

586
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,960
who know so much information
about the plant and can answer

587
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,560
questions.
And I know from experience that

588
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,160
if you guys have a question and
you don't know the answer to it,

589
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:58,320
you will find the answer versus
just kind of reaching out on a

590
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,760
limb and saying, yeah, that, you
know, I think this is kind of

591
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,120
what it would be or what have
you.

592
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:07,960
So yeah, look to people who are
experienced and experts and not

593
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:12,920
just some article who is written
by a pharmaceutical company.

594
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,840
Or a rehab center boy anti
kratom.

595
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,800
Yeah, I like to go by people's
first hand experience, not just

596
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,360
some Google search with hearsay
information.

597
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,960
There is so much misinformation
and disinformation about kratom

598
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,160
on the Internet.
There's so much propaganda.

599
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:33,920
It's really sad that people fall
into that.

600
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,360
They don't even realize that
they're just getting inaccurate

601
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,840
information.
But that's why I do the podcast.

602
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,480
You know, this podcast, we, we
have 58 episodes.

603
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,560
I have 58 episodes people can
listen to.

604
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,520
And there's more coming.
You know, I mean, I've been

605
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:46,880
doing this podcast for over a
year.

606
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,960
They're individual stories of
how this plant has helped

607
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,440
people.
And it's just so amazing that

608
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,920
there are literally millions of
us in the US that consume kratom

609
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,000
for whatever reason, for a
variety of things.

610
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,880
And it's just helping so many
people.

611
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,560
I just love that and I'm so glad
you found it.

612
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,120
Yeah, and you know, one thing
about kratom that I haven't

613
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:13,440
really had or heard a lot of
people mention is the you just

614
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,760
almost feel better.
Not what it takes away pain

615
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,320
wise.
I mean, obviously, but when

616
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:23,960
you're taking multiple pain, you
know, pills a day, when you go

617
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:28,760
to a natural option, there's
just something that feels better

618
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,960
internally in your body.
It just is almost like you just

619
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,239
in that one aspect alone, you
feel better.

620
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:40,639
I know for me it was just almost
like just I felt a little bit

621
00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:41,719
lighter.
I don't know.

622
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,560
It wasn't necessarily coming
from the kratom effect itself.

623
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,920
I think it was replacing
something actually OK and

624
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,639
healthy for your body versus
something that's, you know,

625
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,800
chemically made.
Right, right.

626
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,840
Because pharmaceuticals are
chemicals, you know, we're

627
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,480
ingesting chemicals and not
thinking twice.

628
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:03,600
Whereas instead a plant to me is
a much better, healthier

629
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,600
alternative.
Yeah, absolutely.

630
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,680
Now, are you still getting your
kratom today from a smoke shop

631
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:13,240
or do you buy your kratom online
from like a vendor or how are

632
00:35:13,240 --> 00:35:15,560
you doing that now?
You said you started with a

633
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,800
smoke shop, so how do you do
that today?

634
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,560
I still trust and love my smoke
shop.

635
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,640
I think her name is Sadeed or
something similar.

636
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:30,480
She is actually from goodness.
I just left me sorry, but she's

637
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:35,760
she's from a country that is
very familiar and fluent with

638
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,880
kratom and I've always had very
good luck with all of the

639
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:44,120
products she has.
You know, recently I've kind of

640
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:48,280
really wondered and, and wanted
to try more online vendors.

641
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,200
I know I've heard some really
good things from a lot of the

642
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,880
vendors that you guys use.
So I'm certainly happy and going

643
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,840
to try vendors.
But I think for me personally,

644
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:04,680
the shop that I get it from is
more of not just like a smoke

645
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,920
shop and kind of it's more of a
shop or a storefront that offers

646
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,240
kratom.
So you know where you're

647
00:36:11,240 --> 00:36:13,960
shopping.
I would be careful, know the

648
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,080
vendors know and like you said,
make sure that you are getting

649
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:21,160
something that is getting lab
tested and is good product

650
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,200
because that absolutely can and
will make a difference not only

651
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,680
in how it helps you, but just
how it digests and how it

652
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,440
metabolizes.
Because I had some people kind

653
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,720
of tell me that oh, I don't feel
so good after kratom or it

654
00:36:35,720 --> 00:36:39,480
causes a lot of like tummy upset
And well, that is true.

655
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:43,000
You also need to kind of revert
back and look at where and how

656
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:47,320
you're ingesting it and where
they are getting that from.

657
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:48,880
So.
Absolutely.

658
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:53,120
I always tell people, do lots of
research, you know, and that's

659
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,080
great that you have a really
great smoke shop and you're

660
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:57,760
getting really good quality
kratom.

661
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,800
And it's great that you've been
doing this for two years without

662
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,360
any tolerance issues.
Earlier you're talking about,

663
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,480
you know, tolerance issues with
pain meds.

664
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,640
I went through that.
I mean, nine years of pain

665
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,440
management, I definitely went
through that.

666
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,640
There was a lot of up and downs
where we, you know, do a

667
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,320
particular pain medication.
It works great for a period of

668
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,120
time.
Then over time, it's not as

669
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:18,840
effective.
I got to take more and more and

670
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,160
more.
So then the doctor stops that

671
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,360
one.
We switch to another one hoping

672
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,480
it works.
And I always felt like it was

673
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,760
this revolving door of like
which one's going to work now

674
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,560
and always having to rotate with
Kratom.

675
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,920
People were telling me when I
was first starting and I was

676
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,400
doing my research, they were
saying it's a good idea to

677
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:42,000
rotate vendors so that you don't
build up any kind of tolerance.

678
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,560
I'm like, huh, that's
interesting.

679
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,760
So I just started doing that
from the beginning where I just

680
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,880
bought from multiple vendors and
I just always rotated.

681
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,080
And I still, here I am 5 1/2
years later, I still do that

682
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,840
where it might be like vendor AI
take in the morning, vendor BI

683
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,000
take in the afternoon, vendor CI
take in the evening.

684
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:00,920
And I just do something like
that every day.

685
00:38:01,240 --> 00:38:04,000
I've never had a tolerance
issue, but it doesn't

686
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,240
necessarily mean anything
because I know people that have

687
00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:09,560
used the same kratom for years
with no tolerance issues.

688
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,280
And some people who rotate, they
have no tolerance issues.

689
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,200
And then you have people that no
matter what they do, they have

690
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,200
tolerance issues.
So, you know, this plant is so

691
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,440
individualized, it affects
everything differently.

692
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,440
But I think that's great that
you've been taking the same one

693
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,680
for two years and you haven't
developed any kind of tolerance

694
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,600
issues.
So that's awesome.

695
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:30,280
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.

696
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:34,440
So I think, you know, the only
thing I will, I don't know, kind

697
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:38,160
of rotate through and it's not a
tolerance reason.

698
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:43,120
It's more of convenience and
what my life looks like and my

699
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,760
ups and downs with my body and
other medication that I have to

700
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:50,600
take is, you know, sometimes
I'll do more powder and then

701
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:54,200
sometimes for that day we're
running out errands and I have

702
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:58,240
the capsules on me.
So it kind, I have just, let me

703
00:38:58,240 --> 00:39:00,800
put it this way, there's not
really a Kratom that I haven't

704
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,080
tried.
And of course I found what works

705
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,720
best for me, what I like.
And sometimes I'll maybe I'll

706
00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:09,440
take a little bit more white
than green or sometimes maybe

707
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,920
I'll do powder versus not.
But yeah, so it kind of just

708
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:14,840
depends on what life looks like
right now.

709
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:19,000
But yeah, it, it's more of just
that aspect, not oh, I've built

710
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:20,800
up a tolerance.
I need to switch so.

711
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,120
Yeah, right, right.
And are how much?

712
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:28,280
How often are you dosing kratom?
Oh gosh, you know, or.

713
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,760
You're just kind of doing it as
needed throughout the day.

714
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,200
Yeah.
So I think I've heard another

715
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:37,080
episode where you talk, you
metabolize things very quickly.

716
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:41,480
I am so much the same way.
And I think when I was talking

717
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:46,040
to physicians about medications
and such, they're like, oh,

718
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,320
that's not, there's no way that
that's happening.

719
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:53,960
And I'm like, it is, but I also,
I go to the bathroom like 20 to

720
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,440
25 times a day.
Like it's just in and comes

721
00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:00,200
right out.
So yeah, I would say probably

722
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:04,640
about four times a day.
There are days maybe on like a

723
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:08,880
5th to 6th time.
Some days it's only three, but

724
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,760
it kind of just depends on
average about four to five times

725
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,920
a day and it could be every two
to four hours.

726
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,880
I would say the longest I go is
usually 6.

727
00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:23,520
Six, about six hours so.
Yeah, so many people I talked to

728
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,400
say they just, you know, they'll
start with a dose in the morning

729
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,720
and then depending on how their
day goes and the pain they're

730
00:40:29,720 --> 00:40:33,440
having, if they need a dose
again sooner or take more.

731
00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:38,200
For me, it's just always, I
don't know, I just my 5 grams

732
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,600
ish, basically 2 teaspoons every
six hours.

733
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:42,880
That's what works for me.
But in the beginning when I was

734
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,440
transitioning from the meds to
this, I remember I was having to

735
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,320
take it more often in the
beginning because I was also

736
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,520
trying to not go through
withdrawals of nine years of

737
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:55,320
opioids and have pain relief.
And it seems very common to

738
00:40:55,320 --> 00:41:00,640
take, not necessarily a lot, but
more often in the beginning and

739
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,320
just listening to your body.
But I think overall, it's

740
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:07,000
listening to your body and no
matter what, and I was able to

741
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,360
just go over the course of
several months, I could go

742
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,960
longer and longer between doses
and I would just get the pain

743
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,000
relief for hours and hours.
I got to the point where I could

744
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,280
get to six hours without
suffering.

745
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,360
It's like as long as I dose in,
in six hours and I'm good for

746
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,800
the next six hours.
And that's what's worked for me.

747
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,560
And I'm just so wowed by that.
But a lot of people I talk to

748
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,800
are like, no, for me, it's just
I dose in the morning and then

749
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:31,720
when I feel pain again, then I
dose again.

750
00:41:31,720 --> 00:41:34,840
And that might be, it might be,
you know, 3 or 4 hours, it might

751
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,040
be 6 hours.
It just keeps going back to its

752
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:38,800
individualized and everybody's
different.

753
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,800
But it sounds like you're just
very aware of your body and base

754
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,240
it on your body, what you're
doing, what things you got going

755
00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:46,640
on in your life and you've got a
good handle on it.

756
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,400
That's all that matters.
Yeah, that's you're right.

757
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,680
That's really all that matters
and your quality of life,

758
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,840
because at the end of the day, I
mean, we're all just, we're just

759
00:41:55,840 --> 00:42:00,120
trying to survive and we're
trying to be happy or, or

760
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,880
closest to it in the meantime.
So I think that's what matters.

761
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,880
Don't listen to what society has
to say about it.

762
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,760
Don't listen to, you know, any,
any negativity.

763
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:17,520
You need to try for yourself and
what's going to be best for you.

764
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,960
So yeah, I absolutely would
agree with that.

765
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,600
Yeah, Now I love that you're a
kratom advocate like myself.

766
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,120
I found you because you made a
video of you consuming your

767
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,840
kratom swamp water with a
bottle.

768
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,920
I totally grabbed my attention.
I'm like, OK, I need to, I need

769
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:35,640
to know her and I need to have
her on the podcast.

770
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,440
I love that about you, Haley.
So tell us about like, obviously

771
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,280
you advocate for this plan
because you like, not everybody

772
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:46,520
makes a video on TikTok like
this is kratom and making it and

773
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,160
then drinking it on cameras.
Yeah.

774
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:52,040
So tell us, tell us about that
video and and what made you do

775
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,880
that.
You know, looking back, I feel

776
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,280
like it's kind of I, I didn't
realize so many people don't

777
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,280
make it that way.
I really didn't.

778
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:04,640
I have always heard the toss and
wash theory, which I cannot for

779
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,480
the life of me do.
It's, I don't know if it's the

780
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,600
dryness of the powder.
I don't, I don't know if it's

781
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:14,080
like I always have a dry mouth
anyway, so I don't know.

782
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:18,480
But I just cannot for the life
of me do like a toss and wash.

783
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:23,000
So when I do powdered kratom, I
always have found it easiest

784
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,280
just to put the powder into, you
know, my bottle.

785
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:31,440
I love those little small like
juices usually like welches or

786
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:35,040
like apple juice or something.
They're just so much easier to

787
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:36,840
work with.
And you can also reuse them.

788
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:40,160
So yeah, it was in the morning
and Tick Tock was going to be

789
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,520
banned I think the next day or
day after.

790
00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:46,400
And I was like, you know what?
I have always wanted to share

791
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:51,560
more about kratom on TikTok, but
life gets away from you and I

792
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,160
barely have enough energy to
make it through the day.

793
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:58,560
So today I'm going to for sure
do this video.

794
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,600
And it was just so like, I was
still on my pajamas.

795
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:05,160
I hadn't even brushed my hair.
I was just like, you know, let's

796
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,280
just do this.
It's going to be now or never.

797
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,480
So yeah, I just the kratom in
the bottle.

798
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:13,360
I shook it up how I always did.
And usually I drink it straight

799
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,720
away.
A few comments said, hey, girl,

800
00:44:15,720 --> 00:44:19,600
like, chill, let us sit.
Let us sit for a second and let

801
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,000
the bubbles go away.
And I was like, oh, wow.

802
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,800
I, I didn't really feel like I
wanted to do that because then

803
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,400
you're kind of having to remix
it.

804
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:31,400
But then when I tried it, yeah,
it worked a little better that

805
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,840
way in terms of not having
bubbles.

806
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,440
So yeah, shake up your kratom.
Let it sit for just a minute.

807
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:41,280
Don't be so, so impatient.
And then all you do is you just

808
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,800
chug it down as if, you know,
you were chugging some water

809
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,360
after you went for a run or, you
know, we all had our crazy party

810
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:48,880
days and you were chugging a
drink.

811
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,520
So yeah, just do that and then
go be active.

812
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:56,080
Like it's important.
A lot of people, especially

813
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,360
chronic pain people, it's very
easy.

814
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:04,360
We are limited anyhow, so a lot
of us, we take our medication,

815
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,320
we go sit back on the couch
because we're waiting for the

816
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:11,280
medication to work.
So then we can go do something

817
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,160
we got to do.
But I have found and I know

818
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,920
Misty has said go do something
active.

819
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,120
It could be mildly active.
It could be, you know, just

820
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,320
something that you commonly do.
Go take a quick walk around the

821
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,880
block, but do go be somewhat
active because whatever the

822
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:33,360
science is, it does work.
It makes the kratom work better.

823
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,000
I feel.
So then you don't even notice

824
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,760
when it actually starts working
other than you were just like,

825
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:44,000
wow, I just feel better.
And yeah, so you're not having

826
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,040
to kind of wait around to feel
something.

827
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,960
I have, you know, there are
times where I had taken my

828
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,080
kratom and I just went to go lay
back down or sit on the couch.

829
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:57,000
And you won't necessarily feel
anything because kratom doesn't

830
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:01,400
give you this wave of feeling
that, you know, you're all of a

831
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,080
sudden like, oh, let me hurry up
and go get up.

832
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:07,560
And now I feel, you know, like a
new person.

833
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,320
So yeah, I I would say for me,
it was just a quick sling, like,

834
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,040
oh, quick video.
Bye TikTok.

835
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:14,720
Love you.
Thank you for everything.

836
00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:18,600
And yeah, the kratom community
is amazing because I had so many

837
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:22,680
awesome comments and then I of
course got to connect with you,

838
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,200
so I'm super happy for it.
Yeah, that was so awesome.

839
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,080
And it's so funny because we
thought we were going to lose

840
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,480
TikTok forever.
And then it came back, came back

841
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,320
less than 24 hours later.
Yeah, let's just hope it last.

842
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,000
Let's hope it still doesn't go
away again.

843
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,680
So I've been immersed in digital
marketing and social media for a

844
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,320
long time.
I've been teaching social media

845
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,440
for two decades.
I feel so old now.

846
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,960
I cannot get over how well
TikTok works for the kratom

847
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,040
community because on all the
other social media platforms, we

848
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,600
just don't connect with people
about kratom like we do on

849
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:53,920
TikTok.
There's just something about

850
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,400
TikTok people are there either
fellow kratom consumers which

851
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,240
come out of the woodwork when
you make a video like yours, or

852
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,280
people that are looking for
alternatives for pain relief or

853
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,960
other pharmaceuticals they take
and discovering kratom through

854
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,520
our advocacy efforts on there.
So it's great that you've got

855
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,920
such a positive response now
that TikTok, because back it was

856
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:15,720
gone just for like a brief
moment.

857
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,440
Are you going to be doing more
videos like that on there?

858
00:47:19,240 --> 00:47:20,720
Do you feel comfortable doing
that?

859
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,440
Oh, yeah, yeah, I, I really
don't care what people say.

860
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,240
I just want to help people.
I don't know what it is.

861
00:47:26,240 --> 00:47:27,680
I've been like that since I was
little.

862
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:31,760
I just love helping people.
And I feel like there just needs

863
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:37,640
to be more and more truth about
kratom and people who really say

864
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:39,680
like, this is how it works for
me.

865
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,840
When I first started getting
into kratom, other than the

866
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:47,600
videos that you guys do, there's
so much information and it can

867
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,160
be overwhelming.
You don't know which ones to

868
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:53,640
buy, which ones to try.
And then after I learned about

869
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,920
kratom, it was like, oh, wait,
there's different colors and,

870
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:00,000
you know, how do I decipher
between them and what, you know,

871
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,200
works?
And so it's a lot of

872
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,920
information.
So it could just be one video

873
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,280
that catches somebody's
attention and that could be a

874
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:13,040
change for their life.
My TikTok has usually my idea

875
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:17,360
wanted to be more about chronic
illness because that community

876
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:21,600
is flourished on TikTok as well.
So I've always just wanted to

877
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,320
make videos in that aspect of
like what helps.

878
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,800
I also feel because I was in the
medical field that I have just a

879
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,640
little bit more of a vast
knowledge of certain things.

880
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,960
And so I just wanted to help
people there.

881
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,520
But then when the kratom
community was just so welcoming

882
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:41,400
and so many people really wanted
to stay connected, I was like,

883
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:46,040
wow, that's so cool.
So I might do some fun things

884
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:50,200
here and there, but I'll leave
the experts to do their creative

885
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,840
thing on TikTok.
We always love when other fellow

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cream consumers post on on their
TikTok and share the magic of

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how that plant's helping them.
I was just so, so excited to see

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that through your account.
So this is first of all, this

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has been an amazing
conversation.

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I just love getting to know you
better and hearing your journey,

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pain and and all the health
issues you've had and how kratom

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has helped.
So knowing everything you know

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now about kratom, what advice
would you give to someone who is

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just starting in their journey
getting going with kratom?

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I think you hear it time and
time again.

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Don't give up.
But I don't want to be cliche,

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so I'm going to say work with
someone who knows a lot about

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it.
So when I made that video, there

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was a few individuals who said,
can I please keep in contact

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with you?
Because when TikTok goes away

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and I'm on my kratom journey, I
want someone almost to hold my

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hand.
And I was so happy to be that

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person for someone.
And so I said absolutely.

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Here's my cell phone number.
We can connect anywhere else on

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Facebook, wherever.
So I would say grab someone who

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knows about it and can help
answer your questions because

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there is a lot to know and you
don't realize what questions you

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may have until you're in the
moment measuring something out

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or maybe the time of day or, you
know, questions pop up as you're

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going along in your day-to-day
in your journey.

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So yeah, work with someone for
them to kind of hold your hand.

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I, I would say in the beginning
of the process.

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And that just makes things less
anxious and easier for you to

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walk through.
And also cheering you on to just

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not give up.
Keep going because it will work.

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You just have to be patient
enough to go through that

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journey.
All excellent advice.

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Thank you, Haley so much for
coming on the podcast and

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sharing your score.
This has been great.

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Thank you.
I know.

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This is super fun so thank you
for the opportunity and I am

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glad we got to connect and I
wish you nothing but best in the

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future days and with your
podcast because you deserve it

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00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:03,160
for.
Sure.

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00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:04,480
Thank you.
You're so kind.

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Thank you so much.
Yes, thank you.

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Thank you for listening.
You can get more information at

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kratomstoriespodcast.com,
including show notes from this

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episode.